Terribly sad for this girl. Also concerned that gender fans may use her, "Roy's," and other un-aliving young people to support false claims of link between insufficient affirmation and self-harm. It's clear with both cases that the mental illness is a primary driver, and not clear whether there was also dx of ASD and/or incidents of SA in their past.
I know, I know. I have seen it used a lot lately. It's grotesque. Didn't know it was used to avoid triggering algorithm. Only a matter of time until it, too triggers...
Why can't we just all go back to calling things what they are? Like suicide?
She was NOT 'forced' to change in the male locker room. She CHOSE to. The school should have let her continue with the previous arrangement, but if it was inconveniencing the school nurse or the staff then she could easily have used the female locker room. Her mother should have insisted that she did. Her mother is just as culpable as the school. She should have told her daughter that 'boys' who have female bodies can undress in the female changing rooms.
Who the hell decided that young girls can undress in front of boys anyway? Humiliating yourself for the affirmation is really not worth it.
Boys are entitled to privacy when undressing, just the same as girls. Does she think there aren't any shy boys? It's sexist not to allow boys the same privacy rights as girls.
Joolzzt. Do you have personal experience of this trans issue? If you do I would like to hear it. Parent & victim blaming does not add benefit to the grieving family & friends & I would ask you have some empathy for our fellow members. Words matter & can add to the pain already unbearable for those affected by the passing of this beautiful child.
It's not about victim-blaming. It's about facts. Unless the school banned her from using the girls locker room then they didn't force her to change in front of the boys. She could have changed in front of the girls.
By claiming that she was "forced" Exulansic is using the same dishonest rhetoric that trans activists use when they claim to be be banned from bathrooms. They always have the option to use the bathroom or locker room for their sex. Always. No one has ever tried to ban them.
We can have empathy without lying and using cult tactics. What happened to her was horrible. The fault lies with the cult and with all the adults who failed her. The school should have banned her from the boys locker room and forced her to use the girls. They should have gotten her support to process the trauma of being bullied.
For all the other girls in her situation... they need to know that it's always an option to use the girls. They need to know the cult is lying. It hurts them when people keep regurgitating dishonest cult rhetoric.
100%. My heart breaks for any mother who loses a child, but the kind thing is to be honest about it, to prevent other parents ending up in that horrific situation.
Do you have personal experience of suicides? I've had three in my family, so please don't accuse me of having no empathy with victims and families.
My point is that the mother is trying to lay all the blame on the school without realising that she herself is complicit in the death of her own child. It's her hypocrisy that I'm criticizing, not her grief.
The mother is not the victim, the child is.
I've had conversations with several TIMs who have no issue whatsoever with using their own male spaces. The new batch of woke people seem to be making up problems for themselves that the 'old school' trans had no issue with.
Sometimes honest and uncomfortable conversations need to be had by all (as it affects 'everyone' in society) and not be silenced via the tool of the direct family and friends of obvious victims. Those boys that had to endure their privacy being compromised are victims too and their family and friends may have been affected by the prevailing situation and have a right to speak about it, as well as people that want to safeguard against this happening in their schools.
It's not as narrow as the girl's family and friends, as you may think.
She was a child who believed that not behaving like a boy would cause her suicide. Forced her or permitted her, either way, having her repeatedly in that space day in and day out, and no adults questioning why not the female room, I just don't see what choice the child had when she was told essentially be bullied or you'll kill yourself.
Your post claimed the school forced her. That was factually incorrect. It would have been more helpful and more truthful to point out the cult indoctrination.
I agree, but the victim is not responsible for the behavior of the bullies. Boys who are made uncomfortable by the presence of a girl in their bathrooms and locker rooms should be able to tell the girl that she is in the wrong room, and report her to authorities if she refuses to leave. Unfortunately, as we all know, the authorities would not have supported the boys/men in this situation.
“Trump signs executive order to curtail gender transition for people under 19
Jenna Amatulli
Donald Trump has signed another executive order aimed at the transgender community on Tuesday, this time prohibiting gender transitions for people under the age of 19.
“It is the policy of the United States that it will not fund, sponsor, promote, assist, or support the so-called ‘transition’ of a child from one sex to another, and it will rigorously enforce all laws that prohibit or limit these destructive and life-altering procedures,” reads the president’s executive order.
The order denotes that “child” or “children” means an individual or individuals under 19 years of age and that the term “pediatric” means relating to the medical care of a child. It also clarifies that the phrase “chemical and surgical mutilation” entails puberty blockers, the use of hormones such as estrogen or testosterone, and surgical procedures. Much of what is mentioned is known as gender-affirming care”
I feel nothing but disgust and rage towards every adult in her life. Naturally, they want to put the focus of this elsewhere. Why are these people so freaked out by having lesbian daughters? This is straight up Gay Conversion. She received nothing but affirm-affirm-affirm. That's the problem. Affirming her fantasy or actually affirming the fantasy of the people around Myles. They wanted it for her more than she wanted it for herself. There's no backing down for these kids. They know that. Their friends pressure them. It's a horrible trap. They cannot back down past a certain point.
How do we know the parents were "freaked out by having a lesbian daughter"? It seems equally likely that they entirely bought into progressive ideologies and affirmed her because they thought it was an authentic identity.
The trans identity seems to have originated from the kid, who was spending all her time online during lockdown. Then she announced it to the parents and we don't know what kind of conversations they had about it.
I know someone IRL whom this happened to when the universities shut in spring 2020 and his daughter moved back home. She had been an out lesbian since adolescence and my friend and his wife were 100% supportive. But after a year of remote learning and going down online rabbit holes she declared herself a transman.
It has been really hard to bring her back to reality and in this case the parents *don't* want this for her.
Obviously the kid in this sad story was failed because the school did not comply with its safeguarding duties, such as not allowing mixed-sex changing facilities. And the parents obviously shouldn't have put ideology above pragmatism. To their credit, though, they did request that she be allowed to do remote learning, and given that she was self-harming this might have been a genuine attempt to better support her, or at least keep her under supervision.
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Forgive this long comment but I’d like to know more about why the gender neutral bathroom was taken away. I worked at a school where 30+ teachers and staff shared two single bathrooms, one often broken. In 2021, about 5 FtM students started using them when they said they were not comfortable in the boys or girls bathrooms. The problem: students were told to go between classes, and teachers HAVE to go between classes; that’s 5 minutes to rush down the hall and get back before your next class. You had 6 or 7 teachers waiting in line and now 2-3 kids, too. It did not work. Also, some of the other kids complained and said, Why can’t we use the nicer single bathrooms? So then all students who “did not feel comfortable” got to use those bathrooms. In summary: teachers had no bathrooms. Lots of UTIs that year!
And the PE coach gave up her office for these students to change for gym class because again, they did not feel comfortable. She could not check email or do anything in her office while they were in there.
We often blame the school in these threads but some of these situations are just not something schools can immediately solve. My heart goes out to this community and family.
Poor kid. Only 17. She had a whole life to live. I thought playing along with these delusions saved lives?? I'm so glad that my kids didn't get caught up in this agenda. My youngest will be 17 in April... I couldn't imagine losing her.
‘severe bullying’… Did one of the boys say “oh I’d rather you didn’t use the boys locker room”? Correctly gendering someone usually counts as near-genocide.🙄
Poor little person. Those parents will forever regret the decisions they made to enable this young woman to try and avoid reality. What a terrible loss. 💙
Terribly sad for this girl. Also concerned that gender fans may use her, "Roy's," and other un-aliving young people to support false claims of link between insufficient affirmation and self-harm. It's clear with both cases that the mental illness is a primary driver, and not clear whether there was also dx of ASD and/or incidents of SA in their past.
I generally like your comments, but "un-aliving"?? Worse euphemism ever.
not my neologism invention at all. used a lot on social to avoid triggering algorithm for charged content. have seen it used by Ex.
I know, I know. I have seen it used a lot lately. It's grotesque. Didn't know it was used to avoid triggering algorithm. Only a matter of time until it, too triggers...
Why can't we just all go back to calling things what they are? Like suicide?
Because people’s comments get deleted. I’m against heavy censorship. You are adding to it by coming down hard on a very common word.
Oh, beans.
Not here a comment using "suicide" would get deleted. This is Substack, not FB.
Youtube was so aggressive about this also.
what Xan said.
You know why it's used. Can you come up with something better as an actual solution to your critique?
She was NOT 'forced' to change in the male locker room. She CHOSE to. The school should have let her continue with the previous arrangement, but if it was inconveniencing the school nurse or the staff then she could easily have used the female locker room. Her mother should have insisted that she did. Her mother is just as culpable as the school. She should have told her daughter that 'boys' who have female bodies can undress in the female changing rooms.
Who the hell decided that young girls can undress in front of boys anyway? Humiliating yourself for the affirmation is really not worth it.
Boys are entitled to privacy when undressing, just the same as girls. Does she think there aren't any shy boys? It's sexist not to allow boys the same privacy rights as girls.
Bravo!
Joolzzt. Do you have personal experience of this trans issue? If you do I would like to hear it. Parent & victim blaming does not add benefit to the grieving family & friends & I would ask you have some empathy for our fellow members. Words matter & can add to the pain already unbearable for those affected by the passing of this beautiful child.
It's not about victim-blaming. It's about facts. Unless the school banned her from using the girls locker room then they didn't force her to change in front of the boys. She could have changed in front of the girls.
By claiming that she was "forced" Exulansic is using the same dishonest rhetoric that trans activists use when they claim to be be banned from bathrooms. They always have the option to use the bathroom or locker room for their sex. Always. No one has ever tried to ban them.
We can have empathy without lying and using cult tactics. What happened to her was horrible. The fault lies with the cult and with all the adults who failed her. The school should have banned her from the boys locker room and forced her to use the girls. They should have gotten her support to process the trauma of being bullied.
For all the other girls in her situation... they need to know that it's always an option to use the girls. They need to know the cult is lying. It hurts them when people keep regurgitating dishonest cult rhetoric.
100%. My heart breaks for any mother who loses a child, but the kind thing is to be honest about it, to prevent other parents ending up in that horrific situation.
Do you have personal experience of suicides? I've had three in my family, so please don't accuse me of having no empathy with victims and families.
My point is that the mother is trying to lay all the blame on the school without realising that she herself is complicit in the death of her own child. It's her hypocrisy that I'm criticizing, not her grief.
The mother is not the victim, the child is.
I've had conversations with several TIMs who have no issue whatsoever with using their own male spaces. The new batch of woke people seem to be making up problems for themselves that the 'old school' trans had no issue with.
Sometimes honest and uncomfortable conversations need to be had by all (as it affects 'everyone' in society) and not be silenced via the tool of the direct family and friends of obvious victims. Those boys that had to endure their privacy being compromised are victims too and their family and friends may have been affected by the prevailing situation and have a right to speak about it, as well as people that want to safeguard against this happening in their schools.
It's not as narrow as the girl's family and friends, as you may think.
She was a child who believed that not behaving like a boy would cause her suicide. Forced her or permitted her, either way, having her repeatedly in that space day in and day out, and no adults questioning why not the female room, I just don't see what choice the child had when she was told essentially be bullied or you'll kill yourself.
Your post claimed the school forced her. That was factually incorrect. It would have been more helpful and more truthful to point out the cult indoctrination.
It's the mother claiming the school forced her, that's is what she put in the legal documents that Ex is sharing.
I agree the school violated the boys' sex based educational rights as well and that the mother is also culpable.
Everyone here is talking about the mother.
Did this girl not have a father? Did she spring, like Athena, from her mother's head?
Why didn't her FATHER save her?
Great observation and valid question.
This is a non issue. Adults should have ended this nonsense instead of playing along with it. She was not a boy and could never be one.
So sad!
Boys don't like girls in their private spaces any more than girls like boys in theirs. Is anybody surprised by this?
Wow. Who is being sued? Unbelievable that blood stains on her sleeves were ignored. No "euphoria" here~
The mother is suing the school district for not protecting her daughter from bullying.
If she had stayed out of male spaces she would not have been bullied.
I agree, but the victim is not responsible for the behavior of the bullies. Boys who are made uncomfortable by the presence of a girl in their bathrooms and locker rooms should be able to tell the girl that she is in the wrong room, and report her to authorities if she refuses to leave. Unfortunately, as we all know, the authorities would not have supported the boys/men in this situation.
Excellent news from the Guardian:
“Trump signs executive order to curtail gender transition for people under 19
Jenna Amatulli
Donald Trump has signed another executive order aimed at the transgender community on Tuesday, this time prohibiting gender transitions for people under the age of 19.
“It is the policy of the United States that it will not fund, sponsor, promote, assist, or support the so-called ‘transition’ of a child from one sex to another, and it will rigorously enforce all laws that prohibit or limit these destructive and life-altering procedures,” reads the president’s executive order.
The order denotes that “child” or “children” means an individual or individuals under 19 years of age and that the term “pediatric” means relating to the medical care of a child. It also clarifies that the phrase “chemical and surgical mutilation” entails puberty blockers, the use of hormones such as estrogen or testosterone, and surgical procedures. Much of what is mentioned is known as gender-affirming care”
I feel nothing but disgust and rage towards every adult in her life. Naturally, they want to put the focus of this elsewhere. Why are these people so freaked out by having lesbian daughters? This is straight up Gay Conversion. She received nothing but affirm-affirm-affirm. That's the problem. Affirming her fantasy or actually affirming the fantasy of the people around Myles. They wanted it for her more than she wanted it for herself. There's no backing down for these kids. They know that. Their friends pressure them. It's a horrible trap. They cannot back down past a certain point.
How do we know the parents were "freaked out by having a lesbian daughter"? It seems equally likely that they entirely bought into progressive ideologies and affirmed her because they thought it was an authentic identity.
The trans identity seems to have originated from the kid, who was spending all her time online during lockdown. Then she announced it to the parents and we don't know what kind of conversations they had about it.
I know someone IRL whom this happened to when the universities shut in spring 2020 and his daughter moved back home. She had been an out lesbian since adolescence and my friend and his wife were 100% supportive. But after a year of remote learning and going down online rabbit holes she declared herself a transman.
It has been really hard to bring her back to reality and in this case the parents *don't* want this for her.
Obviously the kid in this sad story was failed because the school did not comply with its safeguarding duties, such as not allowing mixed-sex changing facilities. And the parents obviously shouldn't have put ideology above pragmatism. To their credit, though, they did request that she be allowed to do remote learning, and given that she was self-harming this might have been a genuine attempt to better support her, or at least keep her under supervision.
So incredibly sad. She needed proper medical treatment and this ideology blurred the lines.
Hey lovely I’m a paid subbie (you’re the only ‘influencer’ I have ever paid for or ever will!😘) and I am hoping we can listen to your distance interview through your channel not the ‘distance’s’ cuz I don’t want to! lol.
I can’t comment under your interview on your page even though it says “only paid exulansic subscribers can leave a comment” and when I click on it, it says “only paid the distance subscribers can comment” or something. I’ll check your Apple podcast channel see if I can listen to it there. Xoxox
Forgive this long comment but I’d like to know more about why the gender neutral bathroom was taken away. I worked at a school where 30+ teachers and staff shared two single bathrooms, one often broken. In 2021, about 5 FtM students started using them when they said they were not comfortable in the boys or girls bathrooms. The problem: students were told to go between classes, and teachers HAVE to go between classes; that’s 5 minutes to rush down the hall and get back before your next class. You had 6 or 7 teachers waiting in line and now 2-3 kids, too. It did not work. Also, some of the other kids complained and said, Why can’t we use the nicer single bathrooms? So then all students who “did not feel comfortable” got to use those bathrooms. In summary: teachers had no bathrooms. Lots of UTIs that year!
And the PE coach gave up her office for these students to change for gym class because again, they did not feel comfortable. She could not check email or do anything in her office while they were in there.
We often blame the school in these threads but some of these situations are just not something schools can immediately solve. My heart goes out to this community and family.
Thanks for adding real information to the discussion.
She had beautiful eyes, didn’t she?
So many of these kids, boys and girls, were beautiful before they transitioned.
Poor kid. Only 17. She had a whole life to live. I thought playing along with these delusions saved lives?? I'm so glad that my kids didn't get caught up in this agenda. My youngest will be 17 in April... I couldn't imagine losing her.
‘severe bullying’… Did one of the boys say “oh I’d rather you didn’t use the boys locker room”? Correctly gendering someone usually counts as near-genocide.🙄
Here is another girl who transed herself to death: https://lucyleader.substack.com/p/rip-griffin-sivret
Yes I wrote about her. I have written about her. I've been following her story since 2021
Poor little person. Those parents will forever regret the decisions they made to enable this young woman to try and avoid reality. What a terrible loss. 💙
Unsupervised internet access = child sexual abuse. The parents should sue themselves for neglect.