Boy, the homophobia and hostility in general is strong with Jennifer Thomas! I'd say her attitude is a whole lot more offensive than a man wearing a dress in public, or someone declaring that they're AGP.
I just think Phil Illy is a creep. Acted like one there, and really revealed his asinine arrogance on Boyce the week after. As a trans widow, I see our ex-husbands typified by Illy. That is completely outside of making judgements on same sex attracted persons. He's a groomer. In my book.
Two observations. # 1 Howl's Moving Castle is Baba Yaga updated----see Slavic fairy tale.
# 2 See Valerie Solanis' S.C.U.M. Manifesto. She's the nut who shot Andy Warhol. There was a campground at the Michigan Womyn's Music Festival called Solanis Ferns. I did not approve.
In a lot of settings for clinicians the euphemism is "antecedent behaviors. " things someone does when they're escalating along a predictable gradient. You've either been engaged in substance use or talking to some horrific people or you're just evil to say what she said all apparently without knowing the concept of satire to even try to use that as a defense. And instead she doubled down!
I don't consider myself a feminist, but boy is it interesting watching these factions fight. KAM is an insane idea. This woman is clearly bonkers, and while I get it (it's the equal and opposite reaction of TRAs), I just...when you take a stance like that, you don't leave yourself any place else to go. Do I think Phil Illy is a creep? Yes. Do I think crossdressing should be illegal and punishable by law? No. Absolutely not. Clothing choices certainly shouldn't be the purview of any government, nor do I think it's worth throwing people into cages. I do not subscribe to the "broken window" theory of law enforcement, which just leads to brutality over minor things. I don't even think his book should be banned generally, although it's clearly inappropriate for children and shouldn't be in a school library. Do I think men as a whole should be killed? No, that's insane. Wtf.
It just seems so convenient that she'd want to kill certain men first. Who else is on the list ahead of her friends and family? If I were a nazi trying to manipulate young women with a "greetings fellow human" approach this is how I would go about it. Just at much grooming at Phil's book
Definitely agree. Killing all men starting with gay men feels particularly vicious. I find it gross, personally.
I appreciate your level and compassionate approach. You make me think about these things in a different way, and I find the vast majority of your positions to be very reasonable and practical. You're the least authoritarian out of everyone I've listened to so far, lol. I'm a pretty "live & let live" kind of person, but there are lines. I think you do the best at seeing where those lines are in a way that doesn't make relatively benign things criminal.
I agree - the "least authoritarian." There's an absolutism to some GCs that is just as frightening as the Church of Trans, as if we all should be involved in a Holy War. It's poisonous rhetoric, and you can see how it would attract a loon like this.
I'm glad you're writing on this topic. I will unsubscribe from anyone who calls others "perverts" or "degenerates" much less this level of crap. Buit some of the more well known GCs foster and enable this kind of rhetoric and attitudes, through repetition and insinuation.
There's a reason I was involved with the trans community for years and didn't come out of it with a perspective that all of them are predators who can't be trusted. I'm sure they also had private lives but it stayed private for years or was disclosed by mutual consent. I don't relate to the mindset that this is an actual war so all of them are part of a grand conspiracy since they're somehow soldiers in a military. It's a metaphor
" if it walks like a cult, quacks like a cult, calls for actual violent death-producing genocide of protected minority groups like a cult, if it shuns dissident members like a cult, it’s probably not feminism" might be intersectional feminism, the one all about race not women, and how white women are evil
This shit is absolutely unreal. People really have lost their damn minds. Xitter has been an even bigger cesspool than usual lately, seems like the lunatics are all breeding more lunacy. If xitter, and really all social media, shut down tomorrow absolutely nothing of value would be lost.
You've paid your dues, don't let anyone tell you how to be a feminist or GC. Phil creeps me out and I don't want to be around any AGPs. However I don't think he should be jailed for purchasing a ticket to an open event, wearing a dress and taking some photos. This is ridiculous. As you know Julie and Kathleen were photobombed at an open event recently and the same women lost their minds. They certainly do not have anything to prove either. And Eva now as well. One thing all of you have in common is you're actually doing something instead of just complaining like silly highschool girls on Twitter.
She is right about Men killing each other though..... and about getting out of the way!!
Violence is the biggest issue, MALE violence mainly. As Jordan Peterson says, Men fight each other physically, Women do what you're doing right now tbh.. Attacking verbally, online and forming wee armies against each other.
Honestly, with all this craziness I'm glad I'm old. Let's go back to a time when people minded their own business. It was only a few years ago when I had to attend a sexual harassment seminar. Things have certainly changed.
I always try to present gender critical in the most pragmatic terms: kids are getting hurt. There are male rapists locked in cells with vulnerable women. We can stop this.
And then we have these clowns out here getting to the fifth dimension of abstraction talking about some god-awful mental exercise in which we start murdering people for the cause. Why can’t we get this trash out of this movement and unite on a single thing?
We all don’t like kids getting hurt, right? We’re all against state-facilitated sexual assaults? Can we start there? Or do we all have to be snorting Adderall and running off at the mouth on Twitter like a bunch of tweakers. This whole movement needs to touch grass.
MUH PURITY
come to jeep-us-beep-us
disgusting homophobia
Boy, the homophobia and hostility in general is strong with Jennifer Thomas! I'd say her attitude is a whole lot more offensive than a man wearing a dress in public, or someone declaring that they're AGP.
Your work is so important but I don’t understand why you continue to engage on a personal level with this drama, it dilutes the impact of your work
I agree. Pushkin (the Russian Shakespeare) said, "Never argue with a fool."
Love Pushkin. Marina Tsvetaeva is also great.
Da. My BA is in Russian Studies. Have you seen "Golda"? Helen Mirren is great. Her best line in the movie is "Dostoyevsky. Misery on every page."
No! but I'm going to google it rn. I found Pushkin and Tsvetaeva bc I dated a Russian.
All roads lead to ... Moskva??
I just think Phil Illy is a creep. Acted like one there, and really revealed his asinine arrogance on Boyce the week after. As a trans widow, I see our ex-husbands typified by Illy. That is completely outside of making judgements on same sex attracted persons. He's a groomer. In my book.
Two observations. # 1 Howl's Moving Castle is Baba Yaga updated----see Slavic fairy tale.
# 2 See Valerie Solanis' S.C.U.M. Manifesto. She's the nut who shot Andy Warhol. There was a campground at the Michigan Womyn's Music Festival called Solanis Ferns. I did not approve.
In a lot of settings for clinicians the euphemism is "antecedent behaviors. " things someone does when they're escalating along a predictable gradient. You've either been engaged in substance use or talking to some horrific people or you're just evil to say what she said all apparently without knowing the concept of satire to even try to use that as a defense. And instead she doubled down!
I don't consider myself a feminist, but boy is it interesting watching these factions fight. KAM is an insane idea. This woman is clearly bonkers, and while I get it (it's the equal and opposite reaction of TRAs), I just...when you take a stance like that, you don't leave yourself any place else to go. Do I think Phil Illy is a creep? Yes. Do I think crossdressing should be illegal and punishable by law? No. Absolutely not. Clothing choices certainly shouldn't be the purview of any government, nor do I think it's worth throwing people into cages. I do not subscribe to the "broken window" theory of law enforcement, which just leads to brutality over minor things. I don't even think his book should be banned generally, although it's clearly inappropriate for children and shouldn't be in a school library. Do I think men as a whole should be killed? No, that's insane. Wtf.
It just seems so convenient that she'd want to kill certain men first. Who else is on the list ahead of her friends and family? If I were a nazi trying to manipulate young women with a "greetings fellow human" approach this is how I would go about it. Just at much grooming at Phil's book
Definitely agree. Killing all men starting with gay men feels particularly vicious. I find it gross, personally.
I appreciate your level and compassionate approach. You make me think about these things in a different way, and I find the vast majority of your positions to be very reasonable and practical. You're the least authoritarian out of everyone I've listened to so far, lol. I'm a pretty "live & let live" kind of person, but there are lines. I think you do the best at seeing where those lines are in a way that doesn't make relatively benign things criminal.
I agree - the "least authoritarian." There's an absolutism to some GCs that is just as frightening as the Church of Trans, as if we all should be involved in a Holy War. It's poisonous rhetoric, and you can see how it would attract a loon like this.
I'm glad you're writing on this topic. I will unsubscribe from anyone who calls others "perverts" or "degenerates" much less this level of crap. Buit some of the more well known GCs foster and enable this kind of rhetoric and attitudes, through repetition and insinuation.
There's a reason I was involved with the trans community for years and didn't come out of it with a perspective that all of them are predators who can't be trusted. I'm sure they also had private lives but it stayed private for years or was disclosed by mutual consent. I don't relate to the mindset that this is an actual war so all of them are part of a grand conspiracy since they're somehow soldiers in a military. It's a metaphor
" if it walks like a cult, quacks like a cult, calls for actual violent death-producing genocide of protected minority groups like a cult, if it shuns dissident members like a cult, it’s probably not feminism" might be intersectional feminism, the one all about race not women, and how white women are evil
This shit is absolutely unreal. People really have lost their damn minds. Xitter has been an even bigger cesspool than usual lately, seems like the lunatics are all breeding more lunacy. If xitter, and really all social media, shut down tomorrow absolutely nothing of value would be lost.
You've paid your dues, don't let anyone tell you how to be a feminist or GC. Phil creeps me out and I don't want to be around any AGPs. However I don't think he should be jailed for purchasing a ticket to an open event, wearing a dress and taking some photos. This is ridiculous. As you know Julie and Kathleen were photobombed at an open event recently and the same women lost their minds. They certainly do not have anything to prove either. And Eva now as well. One thing all of you have in common is you're actually doing something instead of just complaining like silly highschool girls on Twitter.
Yeah, this Jennifer person is totally normal and not a raging homophobe or authoritarian at all.
She is right about Men killing each other though..... and about getting out of the way!!
Violence is the biggest issue, MALE violence mainly. As Jordan Peterson says, Men fight each other physically, Women do what you're doing right now tbh.. Attacking verbally, online and forming wee armies against each other.
She needs to delete her Twitter account and enjoy Thailand.
Honestly, with all this craziness I'm glad I'm old. Let's go back to a time when people minded their own business. It was only a few years ago when I had to attend a sexual harassment seminar. Things have certainly changed.
I always try to present gender critical in the most pragmatic terms: kids are getting hurt. There are male rapists locked in cells with vulnerable women. We can stop this.
And then we have these clowns out here getting to the fifth dimension of abstraction talking about some god-awful mental exercise in which we start murdering people for the cause. Why can’t we get this trash out of this movement and unite on a single thing?
We all don’t like kids getting hurt, right? We’re all against state-facilitated sexual assaults? Can we start there? Or do we all have to be snorting Adderall and running off at the mouth on Twitter like a bunch of tweakers. This whole movement needs to touch grass.