All these "Liberals For Palestine" really really need to be dropped off in Muslim Middle Eastern nation. How do they justify the injustices & barbaric laws (yes! BARBARIC i.e. whipping women & worse for immodest dress)
I agree that most protestors & college students are wildly out of touch with the reality of life for women in other countries, particularly Arab countries. That said, the Palestinians do not deserve to be carpet bombed in an open air prison, either. And I do not think the US should be funding ANY wars, we have exactly zero history of doing any good anywhere by doing so.
Look up the definition of carpet bombing because that is not at all what Israel has done in Gaza. And as for "open air prison", that is a catchy phrase, but in no way describes what it is like in Gaza, where some wealthier families (including leaders of Hamas) live in houses near the Mediterranean Sea with swimming pools, while most people live in multi-story apartment buildings, or are farmers with acreage, and there are schools ranging from kindergarten to universities and trade schools, as well as restaurants and stores selling the same range of goods as in any Arab country. The farmers grow a variety of foods which are sold both in Gaza, and exported to Israel and to Europe. Some residents of Gaza come to the US and other European countries to attend universities, and Palestinians living as expats in other countries, including in the US, come to visit their families in Gaza.
From this "open air prison", Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad have over the last 20 years fired thousands of rockets and mortars into Israel, some of which are assembled in Gaza itself, from materials smuggled into Gaza from Egypt.
What people in Gaza are not permitted to do is to organize politically or to vote in elections, since Hamas rules Gaza. Homosexuals in Gaza, when discovered, are literally thrown from the tops of buildings to their deaths, as were supporters of Fatah (the party that governs in the West Bank) when Hamas took power in 2007. Anyone who speaks critically about Hamas, even in private, risks being arrested and/or killed by Hamas.
The people of Gaza need to be liberated from Hamas, which has taken billions of dollars in foreign aid and used it to finance its military infrastructure, including the hundreds of miles of tunnels out of materials (concrete, steel, etc) that could have been used to build facilities to benefit the people of Gaza (as foreign donors intended).
Workers from Gaza have been welcomed into Israel for many decades. Arabs from the West Bank continue to work in Israel. All this changed on Oct. 7, when Hamas once again broke the cease fire that had been in place, as Hamas had done with all the previous cease fires. Israel has never violated any cease fire agreement with Hamas.
I would suggest you look further back and into the situation. One of my favorite sources is antiwar.com, but Sheldon Richman's book "Coming to Palestine" is also very good. October 7th was horrendous and the Israeli people did not deserve it, but to start there is inaccurate. Blessings.
There was a ceasefire in place between Hamas and Israel when Hamas chose to do what it did on Oct. 7. Israel was permitting about 20,000 workers from Gaza to work in Israel right up until Oct. 7. How exactly have the people of Gaza benefitted from what Hamas did on Oct. 7? Can you even imagine how the people of Gaza could have benefitted from Hamas did?
It was entirely foreseeable that Israel would have to respond to what Hamas did by working to eliminate the military threat that Hamas showed it would continue to present to Israel. Since Hamas intentionally places its military infrastructure immediately adjacent to and inside of buildings frequented by civilians, such as hospitals, schools, apartment buildings and mosques, and intentionally constructed hundreds of miles of fortified tunnels under those buildings in which Hamas stores its weapons and ordnance, and its fighters can hide and change their positions to elude being caught, there is no way that Israel can engage Hamas fighters without civilians being harmed. If Hamas actually wanted to minimize civilian casualties, it would not have interwoven its military infrastructure with civilian infrastructure. But Hamas wanted and still wants there to be maximum Gazan civilians to be harmed, which is why it refuses to return the hostages and continues to fight. Hamas believes that by doing this the nations of the world will turn against Israel, and that Israel will eventually not be able to hold out against not just Hamas, but all of the Arab dictatorships surrounding Israel, including in Lebanon, Syria and most notably Iran. Hamas is the proxy for Iran, as is Hezbollah.
Of course this overall conflict did not start on Oct. 7. But what is happening in Gaza right now is happening because of what Hamas did on Oct. 7. It managed to do what it did because Israel did not think that Hamas would do anything resembling what it did. Israel had moved almost all of its military forces away from the border with Gaza, concerned more with the threat posed by Hezbollah in the north in Lebanon. Israel had absolutely no intention of attacking Gaza by air or on land. That is why Hamas was able to kill and kidnap so many on Oct. 7. The IDF had only skeletal staff on the border with Gaza.
I'm familiar with the recent history. I assume that you also know that Netanyahu has, for decades, funded & propped up Hamas as a political strategy to never give the Palestinian Arabs their own state. That is a stated, recorded goal. Hamas and the people of Palestine are not the same, in the same way that the people of the US and the government of the US are not the same. 40% of the Palestinian population is under 18. I cannot support the murder of children for their parents' sins.
A thousand percent. It's always wrong to knowingly & deliberately kill children as "acceptable" collateral damage. I'm sure Hamas does hide behind innocent civilians whenever they can, but now the IDF has started using AI to select & track Hamas soldiers to their private homes. They then bomb their target along with his entire family, as well as any other families who might share the building since precision bombs are considered too expensive to waste on Hamas ground soldiers. US pressure finally forced them to reserve the program for senior Hamas members, but they still accept hundreds of civilian deaths per target when planning these bombings.
It seems to me that there is a very vulnerable civilian population caught in the middle of various powerful factions who all view their suffering & death as beneficial to their own interests.
I think it's inaccurate to start there, because like most acts of terror that start wars, they don't start in a vacuum. There's decades of history between the Israeli government & the Palestinians that gets completely ignored when you start at Oct. 7th.
For the record, I do NOT support Hamas, I do not support terrorism of any kind, nor do I support hating any group based on their skin color or religious beliefs or heritage. Hamas is not a government or "freedom fighters", they are a terrorist organization, and no one should support them. I stand with the innocent Israelis killed & taken hostage on Oct 7th, along with their families, who didn't deserve this, but are suffering due to decades of Israeli government policy to support & fund Hamas. I also stand with every Palestinian child and their families forced to flee their home or smothered in rubble, because they don't deserve to be punished for the actions of the gang leaders running where they were unfortunate enough to be born. I think the loss of human life is deeply regrettable on all sides, and peace negotiations are always the answer.
Which part is inaccurate? You always have to start somewhere. Starting somewhere after the dawn of time isn't inherently inaccurate. If you have to start earlier to understand why the rape and pillaging was self defense then my answer is no.
Well, my first comment disappeared. As I was saying, the photographs and videos, taken by the Hamas savages, of what they did to women should be shown on TV, printed in newspapers, and projected on the walls of buildings surrounding the protests. What they did is beyond torture and rape---and they have abrogated their right to be considered human.
No one stops being human, no matter what they have done, but what Hamas did on Oct. 7, it has said it will do again and again because it is committed to eliminating the State of Israel and, like other Islamist terrorist groups, its purpose is to establish a caliphate and impose Sharia Law everywhere, beginning with "from the river to the sea", with no interest in any "two state solution". Hamas wants one state, with no Jews whatsoever. This is why Israel really has no choice but to eliminate Hamas with the added benefit of freeing the people of Gaza from Hamas.
the Israelis are using ratio ., for every Jew exterminated, raped, taken .. there's X number of Palestinians removed permanently. i.e. for every 1 Israeli = 10 Palestinians deceased. it's not random.
Palestinians were thrown out of Kuwait after war w/Iraq cuz they supported Sadam. they murdered, looted during war. over 250k expelled. (thank PLO for that)
Jordan: Palestinians assasinated a King & attempted again when new king was in power.
Egypt: Palestinians started Muslim Brotherhood & destabilized nation. (church massacres + )
Lebanon: took them in after Gulf War expulsion from Kuwait. (and before) they DESTROYED the multi-religious, diverse government & the country itself.
There is no carpet bombing. Gaza was never an open-air prison. Why am I trying to reason with someone who thinks the US has “exactly zero history of doing any good anywhere,” even when fighting the Nazis or Imperial Japan…
Me, a woman who has worked in the field in construction, thinking how indescribably frustrating it is to have your materials stolen and burned so you can't do your job and maintain your schedule.
Yeah the cost of falling behind schedule is being pushed to work faster and then safety suffers. This guy has very soft hands and has never known a day’s labor. I’m sure of it
This entire group has most assuredly never built even a birdhouse. But it's not necessarily workers being pushed and safety issues...plywood is still readily accessible, but what if it wasn't? What if it took 22 weeks to get more? Insurance can cover the monetary loss, but it can't recoup time. And in all construction contracts is a legal term "time is of the essence". In many contracts, if you fail to meet contractual deadlines, you pay, essentially, a fine called "liquidated damages". These dummies think they're screwing "the man", but they're actually just screwing regular hardworking people, who have nothing whatsoever to do with US foreign policy. 🙄
Now, I'm not suggesting that light treatment by the criminal justice system invites psychopathic "activists" who would assault women to escalate their violence against others, because I am not a social scientist. But it seems more than a little coincidental, the sequence of events there. Just saying
These imbeciles are just playing at it. Meanwhile, in Iran, women are being beaten, tortured & murdered by the state for dancing and refusing to wear religious garb.
Meanwhile, homosexuals or those thought to be homosexuals, are being killed, and Palestinian women, children and men in Gaza are suffering above ground from the war that Hamas started on Oct. 7, while the leaders of Hamas and their families are able to shelter in the hundreds of milies of tunnels that Hamas built out of materials intended by foreign donors to benefit the people of Gaza.
Watching the far-right eat its own is hilarious 😂 These "gays for Palestine" should speak to actual hardline Muslims before attempting to white-knight for a religion that, quite literally, wants them dead lmao. That all being said, this is nothing more than fodder for a distraction. America needs to focus on the problems HERE instead of worrying about the borders of other nations. They are both murderers of children and want to genocide one another, so let them have at-- just leave my tax dollars and fellow service members out of the brawl. I want no part in their fight and can't get behind either side, nor can I see a legitamite reason to even do so.
Starting fires in California ffs? Will there be an outcry and public shaming if sparks are swept into forests? Fuck1ng h3ll! Lunatics. Arsonists. Murd3r is around the corner for these people blatant disregard for potential human toll of u regulated fires
These young people larping as revolutionaries are so brain-dead and juvenile, reading those stupid comments makes me want to vomit. Queers For Palestine -- well doesn't that just sum up the situation? Why are these student activists supporting Islam? It's a monstrous ideology that mistreats women, children, and men of their own kind, let alone non-Islamics! It is the death penalty in Islamic countries for being gay! Women have been whipped and imprisoned for refusing to wear the head covering. Woman have been publicly stoned to death for adultery, with the crowd taking active part throwing stones. This is an evil ideology that should be prevented from leaving the borders of the countries it controls. If people choose to live that way, well I suppose they can, but keep it away from the rest of us! Israel is right to fight them tooth and nail. Every ethical human being should oppose Islam -- to support Islam is to support a barbaric dark-age theocracy.
"Casey has a doctorate in African American Studies from Northwestern University . . ."
Ah, another case of conspicuous white liberal guilt like Multnomah County, Oregon's soft-on-crime district attorney and pretty boy Mike Schmidt, and the former president of Portland State University Stephen Percy. Percy is a doughy, middle aged, generic-looking white fella who ran the school as if he were taking his orders from of those censorious, loudmouthed woke black women who were everywhere on campuses in 2020.
Some Northwestern alumni must hate that graduates of that Ivy-League wannabe are almost never in the news. Not I, because this alum knows the school of arts and sciences is just a pre-professional diploma mill for bright Midwestern kids and New Jersyites who didn't get into their school of choice. Northwestern is not a place you go to make lifelong connections with the offspring of national and international shakers and movers. It sure as hell doesn't leave grads with a social patina that will ease their way into tightly guarded doors.
It would be a hoot if it turned out that Casey paid full fare for his doctorate in a field that won't have a white man even as a diversity hire.
All these "Liberals For Palestine" really really need to be dropped off in Muslim Middle Eastern nation. How do they justify the injustices & barbaric laws (yes! BARBARIC i.e. whipping women & worse for immodest dress)
I agree that most protestors & college students are wildly out of touch with the reality of life for women in other countries, particularly Arab countries. That said, the Palestinians do not deserve to be carpet bombed in an open air prison, either. And I do not think the US should be funding ANY wars, we have exactly zero history of doing any good anywhere by doing so.
Look up the definition of carpet bombing because that is not at all what Israel has done in Gaza. And as for "open air prison", that is a catchy phrase, but in no way describes what it is like in Gaza, where some wealthier families (including leaders of Hamas) live in houses near the Mediterranean Sea with swimming pools, while most people live in multi-story apartment buildings, or are farmers with acreage, and there are schools ranging from kindergarten to universities and trade schools, as well as restaurants and stores selling the same range of goods as in any Arab country. The farmers grow a variety of foods which are sold both in Gaza, and exported to Israel and to Europe. Some residents of Gaza come to the US and other European countries to attend universities, and Palestinians living as expats in other countries, including in the US, come to visit their families in Gaza.
From this "open air prison", Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad have over the last 20 years fired thousands of rockets and mortars into Israel, some of which are assembled in Gaza itself, from materials smuggled into Gaza from Egypt.
What people in Gaza are not permitted to do is to organize politically or to vote in elections, since Hamas rules Gaza. Homosexuals in Gaza, when discovered, are literally thrown from the tops of buildings to their deaths, as were supporters of Fatah (the party that governs in the West Bank) when Hamas took power in 2007. Anyone who speaks critically about Hamas, even in private, risks being arrested and/or killed by Hamas.
The people of Gaza need to be liberated from Hamas, which has taken billions of dollars in foreign aid and used it to finance its military infrastructure, including the hundreds of miles of tunnels out of materials (concrete, steel, etc) that could have been used to build facilities to benefit the people of Gaza (as foreign donors intended).
Workers from Gaza have been welcomed into Israel for many decades. Arabs from the West Bank continue to work in Israel. All this changed on Oct. 7, when Hamas once again broke the cease fire that had been in place, as Hamas had done with all the previous cease fires. Israel has never violated any cease fire agreement with Hamas.
I would suggest you look further back and into the situation. One of my favorite sources is antiwar.com, but Sheldon Richman's book "Coming to Palestine" is also very good. October 7th was horrendous and the Israeli people did not deserve it, but to start there is inaccurate. Blessings.
There was a ceasefire in place between Hamas and Israel when Hamas chose to do what it did on Oct. 7. Israel was permitting about 20,000 workers from Gaza to work in Israel right up until Oct. 7. How exactly have the people of Gaza benefitted from what Hamas did on Oct. 7? Can you even imagine how the people of Gaza could have benefitted from Hamas did?
It was entirely foreseeable that Israel would have to respond to what Hamas did by working to eliminate the military threat that Hamas showed it would continue to present to Israel. Since Hamas intentionally places its military infrastructure immediately adjacent to and inside of buildings frequented by civilians, such as hospitals, schools, apartment buildings and mosques, and intentionally constructed hundreds of miles of fortified tunnels under those buildings in which Hamas stores its weapons and ordnance, and its fighters can hide and change their positions to elude being caught, there is no way that Israel can engage Hamas fighters without civilians being harmed. If Hamas actually wanted to minimize civilian casualties, it would not have interwoven its military infrastructure with civilian infrastructure. But Hamas wanted and still wants there to be maximum Gazan civilians to be harmed, which is why it refuses to return the hostages and continues to fight. Hamas believes that by doing this the nations of the world will turn against Israel, and that Israel will eventually not be able to hold out against not just Hamas, but all of the Arab dictatorships surrounding Israel, including in Lebanon, Syria and most notably Iran. Hamas is the proxy for Iran, as is Hezbollah.
Of course this overall conflict did not start on Oct. 7. But what is happening in Gaza right now is happening because of what Hamas did on Oct. 7. It managed to do what it did because Israel did not think that Hamas would do anything resembling what it did. Israel had moved almost all of its military forces away from the border with Gaza, concerned more with the threat posed by Hezbollah in the north in Lebanon. Israel had absolutely no intention of attacking Gaza by air or on land. That is why Hamas was able to kill and kidnap so many on Oct. 7. The IDF had only skeletal staff on the border with Gaza.
I'm familiar with the recent history. I assume that you also know that Netanyahu has, for decades, funded & propped up Hamas as a political strategy to never give the Palestinian Arabs their own state. That is a stated, recorded goal. Hamas and the people of Palestine are not the same, in the same way that the people of the US and the government of the US are not the same. 40% of the Palestinian population is under 18. I cannot support the murder of children for their parents' sins.
A thousand percent. It's always wrong to knowingly & deliberately kill children as "acceptable" collateral damage. I'm sure Hamas does hide behind innocent civilians whenever they can, but now the IDF has started using AI to select & track Hamas soldiers to their private homes. They then bomb their target along with his entire family, as well as any other families who might share the building since precision bombs are considered too expensive to waste on Hamas ground soldiers. US pressure finally forced them to reserve the program for senior Hamas members, but they still accept hundreds of civilian deaths per target when planning these bombings.
It seems to me that there is a very vulnerable civilian population caught in the middle of various powerful factions who all view their suffering & death as beneficial to their own interests.
Why is it inaccurate to start there?
I think it's inaccurate to start there, because like most acts of terror that start wars, they don't start in a vacuum. There's decades of history between the Israeli government & the Palestinians that gets completely ignored when you start at Oct. 7th.
For the record, I do NOT support Hamas, I do not support terrorism of any kind, nor do I support hating any group based on their skin color or religious beliefs or heritage. Hamas is not a government or "freedom fighters", they are a terrorist organization, and no one should support them. I stand with the innocent Israelis killed & taken hostage on Oct 7th, along with their families, who didn't deserve this, but are suffering due to decades of Israeli government policy to support & fund Hamas. I also stand with every Palestinian child and their families forced to flee their home or smothered in rubble, because they don't deserve to be punished for the actions of the gang leaders running where they were unfortunate enough to be born. I think the loss of human life is deeply regrettable on all sides, and peace negotiations are always the answer.
That's just my opinion. 🤷♀️
Which part is inaccurate? You always have to start somewhere. Starting somewhere after the dawn of time isn't inherently inaccurate. If you have to start earlier to understand why the rape and pillaging was self defense then my answer is no.
Well, my first comment disappeared. As I was saying, the photographs and videos, taken by the Hamas savages, of what they did to women should be shown on TV, printed in newspapers, and projected on the walls of buildings surrounding the protests. What they did is beyond torture and rape---and they have abrogated their right to be considered human.
No one stops being human, no matter what they have done, but what Hamas did on Oct. 7, it has said it will do again and again because it is committed to eliminating the State of Israel and, like other Islamist terrorist groups, its purpose is to establish a caliphate and impose Sharia Law everywhere, beginning with "from the river to the sea", with no interest in any "two state solution". Hamas wants one state, with no Jews whatsoever. This is why Israel really has no choice but to eliminate Hamas with the added benefit of freeing the people of Gaza from Hamas.
And Hamas would gladly martyr all Palestinians for their evil, insane cause.
the Israelis are using ratio ., for every Jew exterminated, raped, taken .. there's X number of Palestinians removed permanently. i.e. for every 1 Israeli = 10 Palestinians deceased. it's not random.
Palestinians were thrown out of Kuwait after war w/Iraq cuz they supported Sadam. they murdered, looted during war. over 250k expelled. (thank PLO for that)
Jordan: Palestinians assasinated a King & attempted again when new king was in power.
Egypt: Palestinians started Muslim Brotherhood & destabilized nation. (church massacres + )
Lebanon: took them in after Gulf War expulsion from Kuwait. (and before) they DESTROYED the multi-religious, diverse government & the country itself.
they SUCK!
There is no carpet bombing. Gaza was never an open-air prison. Why am I trying to reason with someone who thinks the US has “exactly zero history of doing any good anywhere,” even when fighting the Nazis or Imperial Japan…
They're Chickens for KFC. Je Suis Charlie
Consider yourself "liked." Bill Mahr rightly condemns Islam for what he calls gender apartheid.
As for "Queers for Palestine" they haven't a clue.
Convinced that activist movements are a perfect hiding place for psychopaths.
Yup. May this guy find out first hand about incarceration...
Me, a woman who has worked in the field in construction, thinking how indescribably frustrating it is to have your materials stolen and burned so you can't do your job and maintain your schedule.
Yeah the cost of falling behind schedule is being pushed to work faster and then safety suffers. This guy has very soft hands and has never known a day’s labor. I’m sure of it
This entire group has most assuredly never built even a birdhouse. But it's not necessarily workers being pushed and safety issues...plywood is still readily accessible, but what if it wasn't? What if it took 22 weeks to get more? Insurance can cover the monetary loss, but it can't recoup time. And in all construction contracts is a legal term "time is of the essence". In many contracts, if you fail to meet contractual deadlines, you pay, essentially, a fine called "liquidated damages". These dummies think they're screwing "the man", but they're actually just screwing regular hardworking people, who have nothing whatsoever to do with US foreign policy. 🙄
Now, I'm not suggesting that light treatment by the criminal justice system invites psychopathic "activists" who would assault women to escalate their violence against others, because I am not a social scientist. But it seems more than a little coincidental, the sequence of events there. Just saying
These imbeciles are just playing at it. Meanwhile, in Iran, women are being beaten, tortured & murdered by the state for dancing and refusing to wear religious garb.
Meanwhile, homosexuals or those thought to be homosexuals, are being killed, and Palestinian women, children and men in Gaza are suffering above ground from the war that Hamas started on Oct. 7, while the leaders of Hamas and their families are able to shelter in the hundreds of milies of tunnels that Hamas built out of materials intended by foreign donors to benefit the people of Gaza.
Goonan the Barbarian.
"Blessed is the flame." Hmm.
Watching the far-right eat its own is hilarious 😂 These "gays for Palestine" should speak to actual hardline Muslims before attempting to white-knight for a religion that, quite literally, wants them dead lmao. That all being said, this is nothing more than fodder for a distraction. America needs to focus on the problems HERE instead of worrying about the borders of other nations. They are both murderers of children and want to genocide one another, so let them have at-- just leave my tax dollars and fellow service members out of the brawl. I want no part in their fight and can't get behind either side, nor can I see a legitamite reason to even do so.
Starting fires in California ffs? Will there be an outcry and public shaming if sparks are swept into forests? Fuck1ng h3ll! Lunatics. Arsonists. Murd3r is around the corner for these people blatant disregard for potential human toll of u regulated fires
These young people larping as revolutionaries are so brain-dead and juvenile, reading those stupid comments makes me want to vomit. Queers For Palestine -- well doesn't that just sum up the situation? Why are these student activists supporting Islam? It's a monstrous ideology that mistreats women, children, and men of their own kind, let alone non-Islamics! It is the death penalty in Islamic countries for being gay! Women have been whipped and imprisoned for refusing to wear the head covering. Woman have been publicly stoned to death for adultery, with the crowd taking active part throwing stones. This is an evil ideology that should be prevented from leaving the borders of the countries it controls. If people choose to live that way, well I suppose they can, but keep it away from the rest of us! Israel is right to fight them tooth and nail. Every ethical human being should oppose Islam -- to support Islam is to support a barbaric dark-age theocracy.
This man has…a PHD? Proof, if more were needed, that the value of PHDs has completely collapsed.
Also, am I crazy that white guy + phd in African American studies = all kinds of red flags? 🚩🚩
Like, why would a he as a white man make that his entire focus of formal study unless he’s a literal narcissist?
Arson... that's one of those warning signs of sociopathy and future murder.
I guess he hasn’t heard the news. Palestine is free, as the sovereign state of its indigenous Jewish people. 💙🇮🇱
"Casey has a doctorate in African American Studies from Northwestern University . . ."
Ah, another case of conspicuous white liberal guilt like Multnomah County, Oregon's soft-on-crime district attorney and pretty boy Mike Schmidt, and the former president of Portland State University Stephen Percy. Percy is a doughy, middle aged, generic-looking white fella who ran the school as if he were taking his orders from of those censorious, loudmouthed woke black women who were everywhere on campuses in 2020.
Some Northwestern alumni must hate that graduates of that Ivy-League wannabe are almost never in the news. Not I, because this alum knows the school of arts and sciences is just a pre-professional diploma mill for bright Midwestern kids and New Jersyites who didn't get into their school of choice. Northwestern is not a place you go to make lifelong connections with the offspring of national and international shakers and movers. It sure as hell doesn't leave grads with a social patina that will ease their way into tightly guarded doors.
It would be a hoot if it turned out that Casey paid full fare for his doctorate in a field that won't have a white man even as a diversity hire.
His dad failed him, as they (rarely) say