Kind of sad, although one might argue it's not much different from various other cosmetic surgeries -- breast augmentation, or reduction in particular. Depending on the surgeon, seems that, as some transwomen have claimed, "only their gynecologists (?) know for sure":
But maybe the worst part of it of such "sex reassignment surgeries" is the "vicious lie" being peddled that an actual change of sex has taken place:
“Yet [transwoman Highwater] has come to reject the idea that she is truly female or that she ever will be. Though ‘trans women are women’ has become a trans rights rallying cry, Highwater writes, it primes trans women for failure, disappointment, and cognitive dissonance. She calls it a ‘vicious lie.’ ....”
🙂 Some "inventive" epithets that people create to attack those who are a bit different.
But I think Highwater's essay emphasizes that "gender non-conformity" is not necessarily a "bad thing" -- at least from the view that "gender" is more or less synonymous with personalities and personality types, many of which are "sexually dimorphic".
I have to disagree with your equating breast surgery to this gender pathology. Biological females undergo breast surgery for a variety of reasons. Reductions due to the discomfort of large breast tissue. Reconstruction after cancer treatment, cosmetic repair after pregnancy and lactation. Or just to feel more feminine. These procedures are not done to support a mental pathology. The quote “ only their gyn would know. That’s a joke. There is no surgeon alive that can recreate what came from nature.
Maybe a bit of a stretch -- certainly a lot more pathological aspects to "sex-reassignment surgery", a rather odious and egregious "big lie" in itself as no human changes sex.
But yes, that "only 'her' gynecologist could say for sure" was, and is a joke, some sarcasm. Though seem to recollect that transwoman Dawn Ennis, of "Out Sports", had made a quip along that line -- largely why I had used the phrase.
To "feel more feminine" is mental pathology. Once you've moved from away from function/pain and into pure cosmetics for an emotional reaction you're into mental territory. You can argue whether or not this is net benefit, but if you're getting plastic surgery to feel prettier, and not because you're actually deformed or injured, then you're doing it for reasons that the surgery probably can't fix in the long run.
To the young woman who after pregnancy and lactation that her desire for her breasts to look like they once did is hardly a mental pathology. That’s rather insulting. People have cosmetic surgery for many personal reasons. When a male or female attempts to create something that was never there in the first place, that’s when you enter “mental territory “.
How is it different? I agree things like a reduction to reduce pain are in a different category, but I don't see a meaningful distinction between cosmetic surgeries (except that some are more dangerous than others). Getting surgery to make your breasts look nicer seems like it's in the same category as most of the gender surgeries to me. It's an attempt to make the body fit an ideal mental image.
And ftr while I think that's a bad idea I do think people should be able to make that choice, I just also think surgeons should be accountable for providing accurate information and reasonable standards of care. And obviously I don't think a man getting breast implants makes him a woman.
But I don't agree that there's a fundamental difference between a man seeking surgery to 'feel more feminine' and a woman doing the same. They are both using surgery to try to address a psychological issue. I suppose the main difference is in the woman's case that may be a more effective treatment.
Now, now girls; you can't fight in here, this IS the war room (Dr. Strangelove) ... 😉
No doubt there are feminine men who might reasonably want to appear more so. The problem is that that is often the thin edge of the wedge to force open the door into women's rights and spaces.
For instance, there's transwoman Riley Dennis who seems to "think", because "she" has 3 of the 5 main traits typical of human females, that qualifies "her" as a female, a woman, and a lesbian:
However, that does underline the general problem of adequate definitions for "female" and "woman". Part and parcel of which is that most people reject the biological definitions for the sexes by which to be "male" or "female" is to have functional gonads of either of two types, those with neither being sexless.
Yeah nah. That's for looks not function. If you think evidence of breastfeeding requires correction, that something is now wrong with you because you fed a child, that's mental pathology. The personal nature of the cases don't matter, what matters is if you're doing for emotional reasons or physical reasons. Some people also don't get surgery for chronic pain conditions for various reasons. You could argue that even that is partially emotional, but it's not completely emotional. It's not insulting to state facts that if you're doing a physiologically useless surgery for feelings then it's mental pathology, i.e. you're upset your body changed.
De nada; share the wealth; praise the lord and pass the ammunition ... 🙂
Lot of great sites, many people have spent a great deal of time and effort trying to analyze and get a handle on the rather toxic phenomenon of transgenderism. Couple of others off the top of my head that you may not have seen and might have some interest in:
This male is being exploited by his doctors. I do feel sorry for him. He is clearly not very intelligent and wants so desperately to believe there will be a happily ever after for himself, but there will not be. He will keep getting complications and doctors will keep doing anything that his insurance will pay for.
Weirdly, he looks like and sounds like and emotes like a woman I know, although she is 20-25 years older than he is. I did a double take when he first started talking!
starts out with giggling--didn't we meet this guy before? i remember the giggling. then the giggling turns into crying, which is the real emotion. i'm sad for him, although he annoys me, and i feel a little guilty that my response is annoyance. why.not.get.therapy.instead. now his P is gone, gone, gone. probably no sensation possible again?
I am morbidly curious to see the original Rumer Has Clit bid but could not find it on YT or Odyssey. Maybe it’s still in the queue to be re-upped on YT? I’ll keep an eye out for it. You are a genius.
Presumably he did not dilate as often as he was supposed to and/or with as successively large dilators as he should have, but it could be that his scarring was particularly rapid and extreme.
I think they'd have to go with a full and permanent pessary for many years to get the scars to form in a way that may allow for it to stay open. It's strange they think a few minutes a day or every other day are going to keep scar tissue from forming. There's no way a competent doctor would really think that 23 hours of scar formation is going to be undone by even an hour of holding the tissue open daily. Even ear gauging doesn't work that way and the ear lobe is about as malleable as human tissue gets.
It's crazy how different each surgeon's dilation protocols and prognoses (/false promises) are. Some of them have the patients dilate for three hours a day at first, others it seems to be less. Some promise no dilation will be required after a year and some that you'll need to do it at least weekly for life.
And for some people the hours of dilation does seem to be enough to keep it open enough that they're satisfied. The results vary so widely. I'm so curious as to how much the surgeons say to potential patients about how variable the outcomes are. Hard to tell given that a lot of the patients are unreliable narrators themselves.
I would guess over time that dilation fails even then. I've had gauged ears for over two decades. Ear lobe is probably the least structurally sound part of the body, there's no cartilage, it's a bit of fat wrapped in skin. If I take my earrings out I have about 2 weeks before they have to be stretched a little bit to fit my earrings back in. If I leave them out for several months then I have to start over. I don't have the 2" holes but I can put a pencil in them but even the large holes will somewhat constrict over time despite never going back to invisible. I'm sure that if some are celibate for long enough AND don't dilate that it just tries to close up. Interesting side note, people with leprosy lose limbs because of nerve damage over time. Things don't rot and come off like in gangrene, they get reabsorbed. The body wants to recycle any spare tissue it can and the things it can't feel that get damaged are always on the chopping block.
The way the scarring developed is a possibility. After my knee surgery I had this device that helped me bend my knee and I used it religiously every day for a month. Even then, the scarring was so bad I had very limited range of motion that it took my physical therapist an additional month to break up the tissue. It was the most unpleasant experience. I asked if there was anything that could have prevented it and they told me this just happens to some people.
This is religious fervor, and these mutilations should not be legally available to fanatical supplicants any more than surgical stigmata or crucifixion. It certainly should not be funded by taxpayer dollars. “Gender specialist surgeons” are charlatans, sadists, and vultures. And this homosexual man’s performance of womanface is obscene. The more trans-identified males I see, the more disgusted I am with the misogynist caricatures of “womanhood” they enthusiastically embrace. Compassion is a finite resource.
This dude is completely unlikeable, but I still think that the surgeons that offer these mentally ill people a surgery that cripples them in their early 20s should be in jail. This guy really does not have the critical thinking skills to anticipate this outcome. The surgeon did.
Should I be able to access more older videos? These are great but I saw a lot on odysee that I can't find now. Were they deleted? I am missing for example a tale of two titties and coming out of the watercloset. Did a lot of clicking and even got the ap but cannot find these or many others.
Nothing should have been deleted from Odysee however their search function is buggy AF. A Tale of Two Titties and Coming out of the Water Closet are behind the Members Only Paywall as they're new and not old. There's also a tale of two titties version that's available for purchase.
Much thanks you can I have any more? This is the only one from odysee I can see.
If we all upload a few it would be too many.
ZeroDeviance, one of the first munchie mum on here, has recently uploaded a video saying no nobody in medically transing kids within hours deviating from the definitions of the words medically transing and kids but otherwise keeping it together. She perhaps bargained away the whole origional stand.
The whole body was always perfect on the outside - it was just the inside that was all f*d up. Should have fixed that instead of causing further damage inside and out!
Not a vagina. Vagina's don't close up. Don't need stretching daily. The delusion these people employ is off the scale. I see a guy close to breakdown. The regret is palpable.
This mentality ill male does not have a vagina. He has a wound that wants to heal. The fact that doctors perform these Frankenstein procedures is a disgrace. The fake female act is true misogyny.
Seriously strange absence of tears in that whole crying video...
"gender as performance"?
Kind of sad, although one might argue it's not much different from various other cosmetic surgeries -- breast augmentation, or reduction in particular. Depending on the surgeon, seems that, as some transwomen have claimed, "only their gynecologists (?) know for sure":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaginoplasty#Sex_reassignment_surgery
But maybe the worst part of it of such "sex reassignment surgeries" is the "vicious lie" being peddled that an actual change of sex has taken place:
“Yet [transwoman Highwater] has come to reject the idea that she is truly female or that she ever will be. Though ‘trans women are women’ has become a trans rights rallying cry, Highwater writes, it primes trans women for failure, disappointment, and cognitive dissonance. She calls it a ‘vicious lie.’ ....”
https://slate.com/human-interest/2015/12/gender-critical-trans-women-the-apostates-of-the-trans-rights-movement.html
http://genderapostates.com/trans-women-are-women-is-a-lie/
Great links! And I learned a new term ~~ uphill gardener. Trying to visualize...
🙂 Some "inventive" epithets that people create to attack those who are a bit different.
But I think Highwater's essay emphasizes that "gender non-conformity" is not necessarily a "bad thing" -- at least from the view that "gender" is more or less synonymous with personalities and personality types, many of which are "sexually dimorphic".
I have to disagree with your equating breast surgery to this gender pathology. Biological females undergo breast surgery for a variety of reasons. Reductions due to the discomfort of large breast tissue. Reconstruction after cancer treatment, cosmetic repair after pregnancy and lactation. Or just to feel more feminine. These procedures are not done to support a mental pathology. The quote “ only their gyn would know. That’s a joke. There is no surgeon alive that can recreate what came from nature.
Maybe a bit of a stretch -- certainly a lot more pathological aspects to "sex-reassignment surgery", a rather odious and egregious "big lie" in itself as no human changes sex.
But yes, that "only 'her' gynecologist could say for sure" was, and is a joke, some sarcasm. Though seem to recollect that transwoman Dawn Ennis, of "Out Sports", had made a quip along that line -- largely why I had used the phrase.
To "feel more feminine" is mental pathology. Once you've moved from away from function/pain and into pure cosmetics for an emotional reaction you're into mental territory. You can argue whether or not this is net benefit, but if you're getting plastic surgery to feel prettier, and not because you're actually deformed or injured, then you're doing it for reasons that the surgery probably can't fix in the long run.
To the young woman who after pregnancy and lactation that her desire for her breasts to look like they once did is hardly a mental pathology. That’s rather insulting. People have cosmetic surgery for many personal reasons. When a male or female attempts to create something that was never there in the first place, that’s when you enter “mental territory “.
How is it different? I agree things like a reduction to reduce pain are in a different category, but I don't see a meaningful distinction between cosmetic surgeries (except that some are more dangerous than others). Getting surgery to make your breasts look nicer seems like it's in the same category as most of the gender surgeries to me. It's an attempt to make the body fit an ideal mental image.
And ftr while I think that's a bad idea I do think people should be able to make that choice, I just also think surgeons should be accountable for providing accurate information and reasonable standards of care. And obviously I don't think a man getting breast implants makes him a woman.
But I don't agree that there's a fundamental difference between a man seeking surgery to 'feel more feminine' and a woman doing the same. They are both using surgery to try to address a psychological issue. I suppose the main difference is in the woman's case that may be a more effective treatment.
Your ignorance is astounding.
Now, now girls; you can't fight in here, this IS the war room (Dr. Strangelove) ... 😉
No doubt there are feminine men who might reasonably want to appear more so. The problem is that that is often the thin edge of the wedge to force open the door into women's rights and spaces.
For instance, there's transwoman Riley Dennis who seems to "think", because "she" has 3 of the 5 main traits typical of human females, that qualifies "her" as a female, a woman, and a lesbian:
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Riley_Dennis#On_biological_sex
Madder than hatters.
However, that does underline the general problem of adequate definitions for "female" and "woman". Part and parcel of which is that most people reject the biological definitions for the sexes by which to be "male" or "female" is to have functional gonads of either of two types, those with neither being sexless.
My elaboration on the theme:
https://humanuseofhumanbeings.substack.com/p/what-is-a-woman
Yeah nah. That's for looks not function. If you think evidence of breastfeeding requires correction, that something is now wrong with you because you fed a child, that's mental pathology. The personal nature of the cases don't matter, what matters is if you're doing for emotional reasons or physical reasons. Some people also don't get surgery for chronic pain conditions for various reasons. You could argue that even that is partially emotional, but it's not completely emotional. It's not insulting to state facts that if you're doing a physiologically useless surgery for feelings then it's mental pathology, i.e. you're upset your body changed.
Great links! I've been reading for over an hour now- thanks!
De nada; share the wealth; praise the lord and pass the ammunition ... 🙂
Lot of great sites, many people have spent a great deal of time and effort trying to analyze and get a handle on the rather toxic phenomenon of transgenderism. Couple of others off the top of my head that you may not have seen and might have some interest in:
https://4thwavenow.com/2018/12/19/the-theatre-of-the-body-a-detransitioned-epidemiologist-examines-suicidality-affirmation-and-transgender-identity/
https://4thwavenow.com/2019/08/19/no-child-is-born-in-the-wrong-body-and-other-thoughts-on-the-concept-of-gender-identity/
https://www.peaktrans.org/another-feminist-voice-silenced-on-twitter/
https://journal.culanth.org/index.php/ca/article/view/3728/430
And, in a note from our sponsor ... 🙂, my own kick at the kitty, at that "age-old question", "What is a woman?":
https://humanuseofhumanbeings.substack.com/p/what-is-a-woman
I could feel the emotion so much that I'm crying for this person now.
Desperation, pain, confusion and hopelessness came thru the internet and landed in my heart center 💔😪
What an idiot. No sympathy here. And who the heck is paying for all of his unnecessary mutilation?
This male is being exploited by his doctors. I do feel sorry for him. He is clearly not very intelligent and wants so desperately to believe there will be a happily ever after for himself, but there will not be. He will keep getting complications and doctors will keep doing anything that his insurance will pay for.
Weirdly, he looks like and sounds like and emotes like a woman I know, although she is 20-25 years older than he is. I did a double take when he first started talking!
starts out with giggling--didn't we meet this guy before? i remember the giggling. then the giggling turns into crying, which is the real emotion. i'm sad for him, although he annoys me, and i feel a little guilty that my response is annoyance. why.not.get.therapy.instead. now his P is gone, gone, gone. probably no sensation possible again?
Yes he's in vaginoplasty volumes: Rumer has clit
I am morbidly curious to see the original Rumer Has Clit bid but could not find it on YT or Odyssey. Maybe it’s still in the queue to be re-upped on YT? I’ll keep an eye out for it. You are a genius.
He's a tiktoker https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRCSsBf8/
Exulansic, please translate your complicated gesture/expression at the end.
It's the holy 'sign of the umbrella'
Ah. I see it now. Thanks.
I thought you were miming hanging yourself.
What does that mean?
Only has to dilate for one year? Me thinks he’s gonna be in for another surprise.
Presumably he did not dilate as often as he was supposed to and/or with as successively large dilators as he should have, but it could be that his scarring was particularly rapid and extreme.
I think they'd have to go with a full and permanent pessary for many years to get the scars to form in a way that may allow for it to stay open. It's strange they think a few minutes a day or every other day are going to keep scar tissue from forming. There's no way a competent doctor would really think that 23 hours of scar formation is going to be undone by even an hour of holding the tissue open daily. Even ear gauging doesn't work that way and the ear lobe is about as malleable as human tissue gets.
It's crazy how different each surgeon's dilation protocols and prognoses (/false promises) are. Some of them have the patients dilate for three hours a day at first, others it seems to be less. Some promise no dilation will be required after a year and some that you'll need to do it at least weekly for life.
And for some people the hours of dilation does seem to be enough to keep it open enough that they're satisfied. The results vary so widely. I'm so curious as to how much the surgeons say to potential patients about how variable the outcomes are. Hard to tell given that a lot of the patients are unreliable narrators themselves.
I would guess over time that dilation fails even then. I've had gauged ears for over two decades. Ear lobe is probably the least structurally sound part of the body, there's no cartilage, it's a bit of fat wrapped in skin. If I take my earrings out I have about 2 weeks before they have to be stretched a little bit to fit my earrings back in. If I leave them out for several months then I have to start over. I don't have the 2" holes but I can put a pencil in them but even the large holes will somewhat constrict over time despite never going back to invisible. I'm sure that if some are celibate for long enough AND don't dilate that it just tries to close up. Interesting side note, people with leprosy lose limbs because of nerve damage over time. Things don't rot and come off like in gangrene, they get reabsorbed. The body wants to recycle any spare tissue it can and the things it can't feel that get damaged are always on the chopping block.
The way the scarring developed is a possibility. After my knee surgery I had this device that helped me bend my knee and I used it religiously every day for a month. Even then, the scarring was so bad I had very limited range of motion that it took my physical therapist an additional month to break up the tissue. It was the most unpleasant experience. I asked if there was anything that could have prevented it and they told me this just happens to some people.
This is religious fervor, and these mutilations should not be legally available to fanatical supplicants any more than surgical stigmata or crucifixion. It certainly should not be funded by taxpayer dollars. “Gender specialist surgeons” are charlatans, sadists, and vultures. And this homosexual man’s performance of womanface is obscene. The more trans-identified males I see, the more disgusted I am with the misogynist caricatures of “womanhood” they enthusiastically embrace. Compassion is a finite resource.
Sign of the ☂, indeed. What more is there to say?
This dude is completely unlikeable, but I still think that the surgeons that offer these mentally ill people a surgery that cripples them in their early 20s should be in jail. This guy really does not have the critical thinking skills to anticipate this outcome. The surgeon did.
Agreed. He is so mentally unwell this is nearly unwatchable.
Should I be able to access more older videos? These are great but I saw a lot on odysee that I can't find now. Were they deleted? I am missing for example a tale of two titties and coming out of the watercloset. Did a lot of clicking and even got the ap but cannot find these or many others.
Nothing should have been deleted from Odysee however their search function is buggy AF. A Tale of Two Titties and Coming out of the Water Closet are behind the Members Only Paywall as they're new and not old. There's also a tale of two titties version that's available for purchase.
https://odysee.com/@Exulansic:d/mastectochism-great-round-up-Purchase-Version:3 Can you see this for instance?
I'm glad you're monetizing on other platforms. You deserve to be paid for your work.
I can't find "Coming out of the water closet", either.
https://exulansic.substack.com/p/mastectochism-the-great-round-up
A Tale of Two Titties
Much thanks you can I have any more? This is the only one from odysee I can see.
If we all upload a few it would be too many.
ZeroDeviance, one of the first munchie mum on here, has recently uploaded a video saying no nobody in medically transing kids within hours deviating from the definitions of the words medically transing and kids but otherwise keeping it together. She perhaps bargained away the whole origional stand.
The whole body was always perfect on the outside - it was just the inside that was all f*d up. Should have fixed that instead of causing further damage inside and out!
Dilation is a twice daily, extremely painful, horror show for me.
But before you evil conservatives say its wrong...
I totally don't regret it....
not at all...
I love it in fact...
Others should do this awesome thing with predictable outcomes.
Not a vagina. Vagina's don't close up. Don't need stretching daily. The delusion these people employ is off the scale. I see a guy close to breakdown. The regret is palpable.
His voice ugh 😝😝
He had a perfectly healthy penis, like you say.
This mentality ill male does not have a vagina. He has a wound that wants to heal. The fact that doctors perform these Frankenstein procedures is a disgrace. The fake female act is true misogyny.
"It's so pretty on the outside." Is it as clownishly unrealistic as his female performance?
Strict church theory