Sounds like me as a little kid;), I developed intellectually very early, also read early on and didn’t crawl either.. Went to 2nd class primary, skipped 1st class but socially I was a complete disaster🙈 Teachers were horrible w me, constantly asked ME what was wrong w me..How would I know..?! At that age??
Can you give references so I can learn the linguistic problems with understanding other people from autistic viewpoint? I think this is important for me, because I believe I'm a bit autistic. I know I separate language/words from other social cues like facial expressions, gestures. Also I have trouble with transitions. My friends sometimes make fun of me because if I get upset, I will tell them, "Say this, and I will feel better." Everyone else says, "That doesn't work, because I'm just parroting you." But it does work for me.
Sure. As far as references I recommend the work of Michelle Winner Garcia, MA, CCC-SLP. She connected a lot of dots for me. In terms of what you described, developmentally, you first need to figure out that you are separate from your environment. Then you learn that other people are also separate from both you and the environment. A lot of times, autistic people get stuck either before stage 1 or between stage 1 and 2. After stage 2, a person mouthing empty words shouldn't help, but before stage 2, you have a fundamental confusion about why other people saying words made you feel better, so it still does.
I’m quite sure that there are enteric brain insults involved in most of this “psychiatric” “autistic” “neurodevelopmental” and “cognitive” crap I keep hearing about here. Too bad this Substack author is a materialist who is subjecting herself to patristic authorities that call themselves “scientists.” ☹️
Materialism is a belief system that denies many layers of reality by simply stating that they don’t exist. No one should respect those who refer to such things as “settled science,” as that is a belief system with a priesthood.
i mean i see things the ways you do to some extent. the problem is to function within society without these structures is really hard. for example if you are in a university setting if you give them a diagnosis and an explanation even if it is part of a system that i don’t adhere to or fully believe in, i have a better chance of success than if i say no i reject it in its entirety when im trying to conform at least to some extent and reap the benefits within the system, you know?
i fully believe that empiricism and what we call the scientific institutions of psychiatry, psychology, allopathic medicine, so on and so forth is steeped in patristics. i reject them. these ways of being are entirely reliant on behaviors of identification and classification that create racisms, genocides, what virginia woolf and mary daly call "processions leading to necrophilic obsession" and the subhumanity of women. judith butler's work is novel in feminism in that it is anti-cartesian, but its result lead the academy astray and created more anti-female thought. rather than her anti-cartesian perspective driving feminism and women's studies in the direction of viewing the body as whole, rather than a split soul and body and analyzing the resulting misogyny from such a worldview, she rejects women as a sex class altogether, departing from the other philosophical feminisms. the result is the development of post-modern queer theory and trans feminism. she opts not to develop matriarchal mythology based on those ideas and there is a lacuna in women's studies in the academy and in women's history and literature in general. i love the periodicals, poems, literature, histories, and writings from the second wave feminist period, in particular, but anything i can get my hands on in general that is centered on obscura, eccentrics, taboo, and arcana i am obsessed with. i want to encounter ideas and worldviews that feel alive and are not focused on the merry-go-round nullity of the dead, dullard system that conformity damns so many to "live" within. however, to reject entirely the benefits we've derived from such systems and not to view each piece individually for the benefit one might gain from adhering to a belief system that one doesn't personally believe in is foolish in my view. i don't believe in any of it. i have my own personal beliefs and i always have, and i simply examine each thing on its own merit or personal benefit to myself. so i don't view things in the way that you do.
i fully believe that empiricism and what we call the scientific institutions of psychiatry, psychology, allopathic medicine, so on and so forth is steeped in patristics. i reject them. these ways of being are entirely reliant on behaviors of identification and classification that create racisms, genocides, what virginia woolf and mary daly call "processions leading to necrophilic obsession" and the subhumanity of women. judith butler's work is novel in feminism in that it is anti-cartesian, but its result lead the academy astray and create more anti-female thought. rather than her anti-cartesian perspective driving feminism and women's studies in the direction of viewing the body as whole, rather than a split soul and body and analyzing the resulting misogyny from such a worldview, she rejects women as a sex class altogether because she determines that there are no categories whatsoever, departing from the other philosophical feminisms. the result is the development of post-modern queer theory and trans feminism. of course she opts not to develop matriarchal mythology based on those ideas. i love the periodicals, poems, literature, histories, and writings from the second wave feminist period, in particular, but anything i can get my hands on in general that is centered on obscura, eccentrics, taboo, and arcana so that i can encounter ideas and worldviews that feel alive and are not focused on the merry-go-round nullity of the dead, dullard system that conformity damns so many of us to live within. however, to reject entirely the benefits we've derived from such systems and not to view each piece individually for the benefit one might gain from examining those ideas and beliefs doesn’t make much sense. i have always had my own personal beliefs. but to throw out everything is foolish in my view. there are other women who agree with you though and this is probably an area that i depart from exulansic more than in other areas.
This crap about a “split soul and body” is bullshit. Consciousness being permanent and organic bodies temporary is just the understanding that consciousness grows by residing in organic bodies in the physical world. The true “split” is with materialists who are split off from much of physical reality, live in a synthetic urban environment, think entirely abstractly and then dare to tell those who do live in the real physical reality that really they are the authorities of what is real and what is not. Leads to the kind of thinking that Martin Rothblatt of Terasem transhumanist religion espouses. Anything a materialist can’t or doesn’t want to understand they simply call “magic” and deny its existence. There isn’t much science in the “scientific establishment” but a lot of mental illness, such as your description of Butler indicates. I utilize reason to guide my life and beliefs, but certainly rely on my gut instinct for quite a lot as well, and it hasn’t lied to me yet. I suspect that there has been and is quite a lot of insult to the enteric nervous system of modern humans, which has only recently begun to be investigated by some intrepid researchers. Meanwhile, there is plenty of established business already profiting from the current ignorance of this region of our bodies, which don’t care to give up on what they’re doing. Materialism is a belief system that has no place parading around calling itself “science.” Turns out a guy named Kuhn wrote a book about it before I was even born. He set out to write a history of “science” and found out that it actually isn’t what it claims to be. We need a paradigm shift, and a cosmology based upon observation rather than an idea from religion. The Big Bang never happened and isn’t science, but more akin to religion, with its belief system of materialism underpinning it.
i don’t know as though im understanding where you’re seeing the split. so you think it is a distinction that doesn’t matter then? that there aren’t many consequences to seeing consciousness as permanent and organic bodies temporary? some would say that a fear of the body (somatophobia) leads to misogyny and male superiority over women due to the organic body being seen as inferior and women as more embodied. what is it that ur prompting ex to do differently? how do you believe she or others could live differently? i would’ve previously described myself as having subscribed to materialism because i believed in a material reality. since i believe in truth in some form and some sense of objective morality or in biological sex, for example. i agree that the scientific establishment isn’t much science at all and is mostly experimentation and mentally ill. are you saying that my description of judith butler is mentally ill? what basis are we to use mentally ill if we’re not subscribing to a scientific category, one belonging to psychology? i would say that my gut instinct is strong but i neglect it very often. i am taught to so strongly resist it that it is hard to hear its voice unless im in terrible, terrible danger. perhaps because i was raised catholic. i really do agree with you. i mean that’s what a lot of older feminists are working on like judy grahn - metaformic theory and the california institute for integral studies and matriarchal studies on the site hagia.de. they realized we need new mythologies and cosmologies. is it something you’re interested in working on? what would you suggest i look into?
I guess I see civilized people as cut off from a significant amount of information that is available from physical reality. Honestly, I’ve always been at odds with Western civilization, even though I was born into it. My intention here isn’t to blast Ex, just the idea of a cold, dead universe that comes from the Big Bang materialistic perspective. The arrogance of the orthodox “scientific” authorities comes through here sometimes, and I find myself reacting emotionally to it even though I don’t react to other (religious) beliefs like that anymore, in large part because I don’t have to confront them daily in my personal relationships. I was attempting to suggest that Judith Butler is mentally ill, not your description! We are all being taught to suppress and mold our emotions and intuitions, but religion was doing it first, probably. No, too much business, money, and politics associated with “science” for it to be objective, which we’re all encouraged to believe (!) that it is and ridiculed or worse if we don’t. The Scientific Method is an ideal that is worth striving for, and the ones who follow it the most closely IMO are among the heterodox. Interested in working on? I will be contacting an Institute soon with pictures of my irides, as they have changed form and color, and I was never informed that was possible, nor do I fully understand why. I feel physically great, I can say that! The ophthalmologist who founded this institute was a leading researcher in the development of lasers for use in eye surgery who became ill with a disabling condition which he cured through electrical means. I’m trained as a Reflexologist and figure if he can’t explain it, I don’t know who could, right? I’ve been in contact with them, haven’t yet purchased their equipment, which is FDA registered as a TENS unit (Transcutaneous Electrical Nerve Stimulation), but my significant other is a typical man and won’t invest in one for himself (lifelong chronic back pain from childhood injury), and I’m determined not to spend my indigent money on stuff other people won’t value. I was inspired to see Reflexology charts in his online store! There has been at least one clinical study that showed the efficacy of reflexology that isn’t “placebo” and I took my last training in 2007 with the school affiliated with that UCLA (or USC?) study. Thank you for the link to HAGIA. I looked briefly at their website and it looks promising. I recently looked into Goddess Religion and didn’t see anything I was drawn to. The “we are all one” stuff is just not appealing to me, as I was raised on books, I guess. This organization that you mentioned does seem interesting, and my significant other speaks German, so that could be helpful. There was a German public television documentary I saw two years ago featuring an anatomy professor who was discussing the connective tissue as an integrated system, and I can’t find the darn documentary now, but I had that system worked on with Myofascial Release in 2007, and I literally haven’t been the same since, so I’m quite interested in learning more. I thought I was headed to medical school, but the Satanic Panic was in full sway and I ended up as a Scapegoat, as I learned recently. I’ll mention that the name of the ophthalmologist is Dr. Jerry Tennant and I’ll try to put a link here, if the author doesn’t mind (did I mention that his basic equipment is FDA registered as a TENS unit?): https://tennantinstitute.com/. Thanks for alerting me to the likelihood that I’m coming off as an antisocial a—hole! Not that you called me one, I just figured I probably sound like that sometimes, as I lack socialization. Thanks again for your exceptional and inquisitive comment! ☮️❤️🐾
i also do not see therapy or psychiatry as the solution. i think if you are struggling and went off and worked on a farm and went out in nature a lot and stopped being on the internet so much that would do a lot more than a lot of therapeutic settings and these affinity groups, which are just predatory environments.
Sounds like me as a little kid;), I developed intellectually very early, also read early on and didn’t crawl either.. Went to 2nd class primary, skipped 1st class but socially I was a complete disaster🙈 Teachers were horrible w me, constantly asked ME what was wrong w me..How would I know..?! At that age??
Comforting to know there are others like me😊
Can you give references so I can learn the linguistic problems with understanding other people from autistic viewpoint? I think this is important for me, because I believe I'm a bit autistic. I know I separate language/words from other social cues like facial expressions, gestures. Also I have trouble with transitions. My friends sometimes make fun of me because if I get upset, I will tell them, "Say this, and I will feel better." Everyone else says, "That doesn't work, because I'm just parroting you." But it does work for me.
Sure. As far as references I recommend the work of Michelle Winner Garcia, MA, CCC-SLP. She connected a lot of dots for me. In terms of what you described, developmentally, you first need to figure out that you are separate from your environment. Then you learn that other people are also separate from both you and the environment. A lot of times, autistic people get stuck either before stage 1 or between stage 1 and 2. After stage 2, a person mouthing empty words shouldn't help, but before stage 2, you have a fundamental confusion about why other people saying words made you feel better, so it still does.
Wonderful interview, listened to it twice.
I’m quite sure that there are enteric brain insults involved in most of this “psychiatric” “autistic” “neurodevelopmental” and “cognitive” crap I keep hearing about here. Too bad this Substack author is a materialist who is subjecting herself to patristic authorities that call themselves “scientists.” ☹️
I'm confused. Is the enteric brain immaterial?
Materialism is a belief system that denies many layers of reality by simply stating that they don’t exist. No one should respect those who refer to such things as “settled science,” as that is a belief system with a priesthood.
i mean i see things the ways you do to some extent. the problem is to function within society without these structures is really hard. for example if you are in a university setting if you give them a diagnosis and an explanation even if it is part of a system that i don’t adhere to or fully believe in, i have a better chance of success than if i say no i reject it in its entirety when im trying to conform at least to some extent and reap the benefits within the system, you know?
i fully believe that empiricism and what we call the scientific institutions of psychiatry, psychology, allopathic medicine, so on and so forth is steeped in patristics. i reject them. these ways of being are entirely reliant on behaviors of identification and classification that create racisms, genocides, what virginia woolf and mary daly call "processions leading to necrophilic obsession" and the subhumanity of women. judith butler's work is novel in feminism in that it is anti-cartesian, but its result lead the academy astray and created more anti-female thought. rather than her anti-cartesian perspective driving feminism and women's studies in the direction of viewing the body as whole, rather than a split soul and body and analyzing the resulting misogyny from such a worldview, she rejects women as a sex class altogether, departing from the other philosophical feminisms. the result is the development of post-modern queer theory and trans feminism. she opts not to develop matriarchal mythology based on those ideas and there is a lacuna in women's studies in the academy and in women's history and literature in general. i love the periodicals, poems, literature, histories, and writings from the second wave feminist period, in particular, but anything i can get my hands on in general that is centered on obscura, eccentrics, taboo, and arcana i am obsessed with. i want to encounter ideas and worldviews that feel alive and are not focused on the merry-go-round nullity of the dead, dullard system that conformity damns so many to "live" within. however, to reject entirely the benefits we've derived from such systems and not to view each piece individually for the benefit one might gain from adhering to a belief system that one doesn't personally believe in is foolish in my view. i don't believe in any of it. i have my own personal beliefs and i always have, and i simply examine each thing on its own merit or personal benefit to myself. so i don't view things in the way that you do.
i fully believe that empiricism and what we call the scientific institutions of psychiatry, psychology, allopathic medicine, so on and so forth is steeped in patristics. i reject them. these ways of being are entirely reliant on behaviors of identification and classification that create racisms, genocides, what virginia woolf and mary daly call "processions leading to necrophilic obsession" and the subhumanity of women. judith butler's work is novel in feminism in that it is anti-cartesian, but its result lead the academy astray and create more anti-female thought. rather than her anti-cartesian perspective driving feminism and women's studies in the direction of viewing the body as whole, rather than a split soul and body and analyzing the resulting misogyny from such a worldview, she rejects women as a sex class altogether because she determines that there are no categories whatsoever, departing from the other philosophical feminisms. the result is the development of post-modern queer theory and trans feminism. of course she opts not to develop matriarchal mythology based on those ideas. i love the periodicals, poems, literature, histories, and writings from the second wave feminist period, in particular, but anything i can get my hands on in general that is centered on obscura, eccentrics, taboo, and arcana so that i can encounter ideas and worldviews that feel alive and are not focused on the merry-go-round nullity of the dead, dullard system that conformity damns so many of us to live within. however, to reject entirely the benefits we've derived from such systems and not to view each piece individually for the benefit one might gain from examining those ideas and beliefs doesn’t make much sense. i have always had my own personal beliefs. but to throw out everything is foolish in my view. there are other women who agree with you though and this is probably an area that i depart from exulansic more than in other areas.
This crap about a “split soul and body” is bullshit. Consciousness being permanent and organic bodies temporary is just the understanding that consciousness grows by residing in organic bodies in the physical world. The true “split” is with materialists who are split off from much of physical reality, live in a synthetic urban environment, think entirely abstractly and then dare to tell those who do live in the real physical reality that really they are the authorities of what is real and what is not. Leads to the kind of thinking that Martin Rothblatt of Terasem transhumanist religion espouses. Anything a materialist can’t or doesn’t want to understand they simply call “magic” and deny its existence. There isn’t much science in the “scientific establishment” but a lot of mental illness, such as your description of Butler indicates. I utilize reason to guide my life and beliefs, but certainly rely on my gut instinct for quite a lot as well, and it hasn’t lied to me yet. I suspect that there has been and is quite a lot of insult to the enteric nervous system of modern humans, which has only recently begun to be investigated by some intrepid researchers. Meanwhile, there is plenty of established business already profiting from the current ignorance of this region of our bodies, which don’t care to give up on what they’re doing. Materialism is a belief system that has no place parading around calling itself “science.” Turns out a guy named Kuhn wrote a book about it before I was even born. He set out to write a history of “science” and found out that it actually isn’t what it claims to be. We need a paradigm shift, and a cosmology based upon observation rather than an idea from religion. The Big Bang never happened and isn’t science, but more akin to religion, with its belief system of materialism underpinning it.
i don’t know as though im understanding where you’re seeing the split. so you think it is a distinction that doesn’t matter then? that there aren’t many consequences to seeing consciousness as permanent and organic bodies temporary? some would say that a fear of the body (somatophobia) leads to misogyny and male superiority over women due to the organic body being seen as inferior and women as more embodied. what is it that ur prompting ex to do differently? how do you believe she or others could live differently? i would’ve previously described myself as having subscribed to materialism because i believed in a material reality. since i believe in truth in some form and some sense of objective morality or in biological sex, for example. i agree that the scientific establishment isn’t much science at all and is mostly experimentation and mentally ill. are you saying that my description of judith butler is mentally ill? what basis are we to use mentally ill if we’re not subscribing to a scientific category, one belonging to psychology? i would say that my gut instinct is strong but i neglect it very often. i am taught to so strongly resist it that it is hard to hear its voice unless im in terrible, terrible danger. perhaps because i was raised catholic. i really do agree with you. i mean that’s what a lot of older feminists are working on like judy grahn - metaformic theory and the california institute for integral studies and matriarchal studies on the site hagia.de. they realized we need new mythologies and cosmologies. is it something you’re interested in working on? what would you suggest i look into?
I guess I see civilized people as cut off from a significant amount of information that is available from physical reality. Honestly, I’ve always been at odds with Western civilization, even though I was born into it. My intention here isn’t to blast Ex, just the idea of a cold, dead universe that comes from the Big Bang materialistic perspective. The arrogance of the orthodox “scientific” authorities comes through here sometimes, and I find myself reacting emotionally to it even though I don’t react to other (religious) beliefs like that anymore, in large part because I don’t have to confront them daily in my personal relationships. I was attempting to suggest that Judith Butler is mentally ill, not your description! We are all being taught to suppress and mold our emotions and intuitions, but religion was doing it first, probably. No, too much business, money, and politics associated with “science” for it to be objective, which we’re all encouraged to believe (!) that it is and ridiculed or worse if we don’t. The Scientific Method is an ideal that is worth striving for, and the ones who follow it the most closely IMO are among the heterodox. Interested in working on? I will be contacting an Institute soon with pictures of my irides, as they have changed form and color, and I was never informed that was possible, nor do I fully understand why. I feel physically great, I can say that! The ophthalmologist who founded this institute was a leading researcher in the development of lasers for use in eye surgery who became ill with a disabling condition which he cured through electrical means. I’m trained as a Reflexologist and figure if he can’t explain it, I don’t know who could, right? I’ve been in contact with them, haven’t yet purchased their equipment, which is FDA registered as a TENS unit (Transcutaneous Electrical Nerve Stimulation), but my significant other is a typical man and won’t invest in one for himself (lifelong chronic back pain from childhood injury), and I’m determined not to spend my indigent money on stuff other people won’t value. I was inspired to see Reflexology charts in his online store! There has been at least one clinical study that showed the efficacy of reflexology that isn’t “placebo” and I took my last training in 2007 with the school affiliated with that UCLA (or USC?) study. Thank you for the link to HAGIA. I looked briefly at their website and it looks promising. I recently looked into Goddess Religion and didn’t see anything I was drawn to. The “we are all one” stuff is just not appealing to me, as I was raised on books, I guess. This organization that you mentioned does seem interesting, and my significant other speaks German, so that could be helpful. There was a German public television documentary I saw two years ago featuring an anatomy professor who was discussing the connective tissue as an integrated system, and I can’t find the darn documentary now, but I had that system worked on with Myofascial Release in 2007, and I literally haven’t been the same since, so I’m quite interested in learning more. I thought I was headed to medical school, but the Satanic Panic was in full sway and I ended up as a Scapegoat, as I learned recently. I’ll mention that the name of the ophthalmologist is Dr. Jerry Tennant and I’ll try to put a link here, if the author doesn’t mind (did I mention that his basic equipment is FDA registered as a TENS unit?): https://tennantinstitute.com/. Thanks for alerting me to the likelihood that I’m coming off as an antisocial a—hole! Not that you called me one, I just figured I probably sound like that sometimes, as I lack socialization. Thanks again for your exceptional and inquisitive comment! ☮️❤️🐾
wanna hear ur thinking on my comment
Wanting to attempt to do it justice! Will do.
i also do not see therapy or psychiatry as the solution. i think if you are struggling and went off and worked on a farm and went out in nature a lot and stopped being on the internet so much that would do a lot more than a lot of therapeutic settings and these affinity groups, which are just predatory environments.
Thank you both very much.
Oh! Now I know how to pronounce your last name. I was pronouncing it until now as rhyming with "chair".
When did my last name come up in this?
11:17.
Oh right I said what it rhymed with