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Nameless's avatar

This is really random but it didn’t occur to me parents got so upset about being empty nesters. I wonder if my mom misses me that much while I’m in college. Any parents want to share their experience?

Also, Exulansic, because of your encouragement I decided to pursue a diagnosis for my digestion issues. I’m currently getting tested for Celiac and IBD! Im scared for bad news but also looking forward to recovery. I know weight loss is very topical but I’d love to hear you talk about weight gain too.

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Rorie Marie's avatar

After you get all the tests that you could get ...if nothing comes up, as it did for me, the only thing that did work and works still unfortunately is basically going (Whole 30 )my doctor recommended it... No grains no sugars no alcohol no dairy no beans or legumes of any kind...nothing processed.... You could still eat everything natural in all meets and it works for me the best I hope you find what works the best for you.

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I am the 75 year old mother of a 40 year old daughter. Very few parents miss their children as much as Jazz's mother does because most parents are not emotionally dependent on their children in the way that Jeanette is. Jazz has been Jeanette's project all these years. Her hobby. Jeanette needs to get another hobby or project, but she will never do that. Jeanette has become famous because of the reality TV coverage that Jazz enabled this family to have. Jeanette really. needs to get a life and let Jazz found his own way, but we can see on this video that Jeanette is not interested in shifting her focus to other ways of gratifying herself. This is tragic. Jazz will not be free until Jeanette leaves this life. Unfortunately, Jazz might die before Jeanette does, because of the havoc that the puberty blockers and exogenous hormones have wreaked on Jazz's physiology, along with Jazz's eating disorder. Most 21 year olds would not put up with their mothers' interference in their lives. Jazz must have money which would enable him to not have to live with his parents ever again, but we see no indication that Jazz even understands he does not have to spend his summer breaks from college with his parents. I hope someday someone does some investigative reporting and explains what Jazz's financial relationship with his parents is. Jazz has been the cash cow reality show performer for his parents. I really do not understand why, now that Jazz is 21, he cannot live apart from his parrents and have the social life that he wants.

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Ali's avatar

I think she is trying to be the star of the show. Two cast members are out somewhere without her? Not allowed, must rejoin the cast and get more screen time.

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Mary's avatar

I don’t believe that she has the emotional capacity to see that SHE, the mother of all mothers (ain’t that the truth 😱) abused her son!

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Allison's avatar

I had a parent who had made me his entire life - and he had basically Stockholm Syndrome'd me into thinking I had to tell him everything all the time. I was in my mid/late 20's and he'd still ask me about my bank balance or purchases I was making or any other manner of things that adults do independently. It wasn't quite to the level of Jeanette, though he would have been happy if I lived at home forever, though as it was, I didn't move out til I was almost 24. And, it wasn't til I was almost 30 (maybe even older) when I finally went to therapy and my therapist said "you know you don't have to tell him everything, right?" and I was actually floored by that revelation. And the next time he asked me how much money I currently had in the bank, I told him it was none of his business. He yelled at me, hung up on me and then didn't talk to me for a couple of days. Eventually I was able to create healthy boundaries. So, I totally get how if your parent is telling you that you can't live on your own, even if you have done so, it's really hard to break those chains.

Also, I bet the show money is controlled by his parents so he probably doesn't have the means to break free.

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katansi's avatar

I'm 40, mom's 66. She misses me until I'm there lol.

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Mary's avatar

I’m 60, mom is 83 -SAME 🤣🤣🤣

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LeishaCamden's avatar

Jazz doesn't necessarily have money. Florida doesn't have a Coogan law so whatever money the family earned from the show (at least while Jazz was a minor) the parents could just have kept for themselves.

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Mary's avatar

I forgot about the Coogan law! My oldest son was on a Disney show, off- Broadway, Broadway, summer stock but in NYC that was waiting for him!

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katansi's avatar

Hell, at this point he might be signing up for the show to be renewed just because of that instead of quitting at 18.

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E. Weil's avatar

Yes. I was wondering about this.

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Mary's avatar

Exactly! She’s sick and she created a sick son!

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joolzzt's avatar

I think it's normal to miss your kids at first, and there's probably always a little bit of worrying from parents who care, but Jeanettte is abnormal. She's already had a year to adjust but still seems manic. Good parents help their children to grow and fly and are always there if they have issues. But the way Jeanette is treating Jazz he soon won't want to visit her, even if he has issues, so she may lose him completely. I wouldn't blame him if he left her.

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Liesel's avatar

Honestly Dawn, we were pretty happy when the two oldest daughters moved out. They faught constantly and it was just nice to have peace. Our youngest daughter however comes home as much as possible. I love all my kids but sometimes you just have more in common with one or the other. And she's the one who has trackers on my phone 😀

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Mary's avatar

Liesel, my daughter tracks me too!😂

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Liesel's avatar

Mine has multiple FB accounts and of course they're all my "friends" because she adds herself with my phone 😅 then stalks me.

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Recynd's avatar

I’ve always had a particularly close relationship with my son (he’s now 25). He’s never been “wild”, and he’s driven and worked nearly full-time since 16 (we homeschooled, so his time was freer than most kids). From age 18 on, he was allowed to come and go as he pleased, and his dad and I only asked that we knew where to start looking if he disappeared. He spent many weekends away, though I (think) I generally knew where he was. I sure as shit didn’t track him!

When he moved out to live with his partner a year ago, I missed him terribly at first, but I ABSOLUTELY did not foist MY feelings onto him, and he still comes and goes as he pleases, though it’s far less frequently, and it’s only for short visits (usually dinner 😊). We text weekly, and he’s welcome back any time.

My husband’s mother has a lot of Jeanette in her--my husband escaped as soon as he was legally able. Like Jeanette, she fostered dependency and did everything she could to cripple her children. It’s a particularly vile form of abuse, because there’s built-in plausible deniability.

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Sarah Verkuil Turner's avatar

As a mother of 3 similar aged kids to Jazz, I'm horrified. My oldest is also in Boston for school, and yes , I miss her a lot, and we facetime, but I do not constantly track her, and make her tell me what she is up to day in and day out. The transition is hard, to let them go, I won't deny that, but that's the ultimate point of being a parent. We all hope to raise successful adults that can contribute to the world. I think it's also important to start to plan ahead for that next stage of life as an empty nester, and that responsibility is on you, and not your kids. I'm already thinking about what I want to do once I'm done raising teenagers. After watching this reaction video, Jazz needs to leave his family, as soon as possible. I would hope he would have money from the show set aside for him as well to be able to support himself. I hope he is now back in school as well.

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Mary's avatar

I became a Terf!

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Exulansic's avatar

Your symptom is inability to gain weight? Glad you're getting checked for malabsorption.

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katansi's avatar

Worth getting a general food allergy test. Doctors told me "gluten intolerance" is not real, I don't have celiac, told me all the digestive problems that cleared up after cutting out gluten were just in my head. Turns out I have a wheat allergy that I had to fight to get a test for and they didn't even consider it. Emulsifiers and preservatives cause a lot of problems for people and that's also denied even when reactions are exposure and/or dose dependent.

At home on your own you can do elimination diets. Reduce to eating a couple items that you know or believe never cause any problems for you for about 2 weeks. Add in single items and see how you feel/react. If you reduce to those items and you still have issues then it's also one of those items lol.

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Mary's avatar

Of course I miss my children! But cry because they’re grown up and living their own lives??? It’s all about Jeanette and that’s not real love!

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paper clip's avatar

weight gain is common with food sensitivities because inflammation makes a lot of people gain weight. it's often very difficult to identify the problem foods but there are various ways, you're getting some useful ideas from people here, and over time being diligent you will make progress.

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Alexis's avatar

I've had digestive issues all my life in a lesser or larger amount. Turns out I'm proby lactose intolerant, which I found out when I went vegan and I stopped being bloated, gassy, in pain, and having diarrhea. It's worth trying for 6-8 weeks to see if it helps. Note that you'll have to check ingredients on everything as whey powder etc is in random stuff like crisps etc.

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Laura Wiley Haynes's avatar

This is so devastating.

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Rorie Marie's avatar

This mother is a complete lunatic. I'm a mother... Kids grow up I'm so glad my sons are adults. I love who they are now... do I miss when they were little sometimes... sure but not to the extent of crying and calling them babies...

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Yvette N's avatar

Who wants Jeanette as a mother in law??

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Samantha Lee's avatar

Hard pass.

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Mary's avatar

What a nightmare!😱

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Rorie Marie's avatar

Man the men in this family are feckless....

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Mary's avatar

Let’s just say that Jazz isn’t the only man Jeanette castrated!

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GenderRealistMom's avatar

Mary, you took the words out of my mouth!

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Mary's avatar

Great minds...🤪

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Louise R's avatar

I was thinking the same thing.

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paper clip's avatar

don't give her that power. her husband is an adult. no, she merely married a man who was already weak.

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GenderRealistMom's avatar

Yeah, joking aside , he is as much if not more at fault since Jeanette may be mentally ill and needed to be stopped. What kind of man stands by while his son is getting castrated?

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Mary's avatar

True- my own husband winches when I talk about these stories! And, for what it’s worth, I don’t think Jeanette is “mentally ill” unless being a supreme narcissist is considered “mental illness “? On second thought, maybe it is and she is too!

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paper clip's avatar

there are different kinds of things people like to include in 'mental illness.' she does not have an organic mental illness. personality disorder maybe.

the entire family needs Al Anon type codependency work.

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paper clip's avatar

i have seen so, so many women like Jeanette at Program meetings. they're the mothers everyone rolls their eyes at.

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paper clip's avatar

i have really, really been wondering that exact question. it's utterly ghoulish.

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Matt Osborne's avatar

Mental health issues fixed! Independence achieved! Back under the thumb of "Smother Dearest" with you.

Probably the most nauseating part of the rugby scene is how he's able to blow past tackles. "Ellie" can't stop him despite being similar size. Whether by request of the crew or his male physiology, a male has been given permission to make women look bad at their own sport. I hate it.

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GenderRealistMom's avatar

I don't know about that. He was transitioned before puberty. I'd assume there is not much male physiological advantage there. (But I am not a doctor, so it's a two cent opinion).

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Matt Osborne's avatar

This is not an argument for crunchy bones tho

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joolzzt's avatar

I agree that a 25lb loss in a year isn't huge, but going to college will be a lot of stress, so it's good that he lost at all. The way he'd been going I half expected him to be 25lb UP. But I think getting away from the dysfunctional family has really helped him.

I noticed that when Jeanette started on him, right after getting home, in his next chat he referred to being 'back at the house' rather than 'back at home'. That says a lot.

Jeanette needs to get a life. Everyone has dramatic changes in their life. Bereavement. Serious illness. Kids leaving. All mean big adjustments. Most of us cope and move on. Retirement was tough for me at first with all those hours to fill, but I got on with it and now I wonder how the heck I ever found to time to go to work 😁. Jeanette can go and do charity work.

She has serious issues. She still has one kid at home, but she's obsessing about Jazz. Does she really think the film crew would stand by and watch Jazz being attacked??? I suspect the issue with Jazz's night out was that Jeanette didn't get enough TV time so she had to insert herself.

Jazz does seem more determined to come or from under Jeanette's thumb, but Jeanette may wear him down before he succeeds.

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TraceyAHF's avatar

... and the brother started at him immediately too by saying we made your favourite food and when Jazz answered hoping it was something he liked his brother showed him a bowl of salad. Poor jazz.

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joolzzt's avatar

No wonder Jazz has mental health issues 😥

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LeishaCamden's avatar

The whole family is garbage ... except Jazz who seems to be a sweet and kindhearted person, but the way the the others in the family treat him makes my blood boil.

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Maria The Hammer's avatar

They all seem to find new and creative ways of telling Jazz he’s fat. It doesn’t help that Jazz is the only overweight person in that family, Jack and Jacky included. Also, does Greg color his hair? I thought I saw pics of him with gray hair and facial hair.

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Liesel's avatar

I'm so happy for the oldest, the daughter. She seems to be able to stay away from this mess.

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TraceyAHF's avatar

Jazz has been completely open about how much he looked up to his older sister. He wanted to be just like her - that's why he wore her clothes and copied everything she did. She is the golden child.

Transitioning Jazz suited the parents because they wanted two boys and two girls. They did not want a girl, two boys and a gay boy. They trans'd the gay away.

I don't think it's a coincidence that the older sister is often absent.

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LeishaCamden's avatar

I wonder how much Sander and Griffen being twins played into this. They are closer to Jazz' age than Ari, so it would have been more natural for Jazz to play with them, but as twins they may have been a self-sufficient unit, shutting Jazz out in a way. So he focused on Ari. Just a theory of mine. You're totally right that the parents wanted two of each - I suspect Jeanette was a little disappointed when Jazz was born and turned out to be a boy. A second daughter after the twins would have meant the perfect family. But she figured out a way to fix that.

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Liesel's avatar

I didn't know that about the daughter or that the boys were twins. I've only watched Ex not the actual show. The family is a mess so I just figured she stayed away as much as possible.

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Maria The Hammer's avatar

Yes, but she’s complicit in all of this.

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Yoshiew's avatar

Ex-you are so compassionate and patient. So glad I don’t have tiktok or even a TV. I’d break something

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Carmen Monoxide's avatar

I have a creepy feeling that in 100 years there will be a tragic opera about this

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Mary's avatar

That’s a really funny comment but they’re not that interesting! Jeanette would play the hideous mother, Jazz the castrato , the twins- dwindle di and dumb, grandma and grandpa... wait, I think you might be right!!!🤣🤣🤣

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trudie63's avatar

Full on transhausen mum, jaron will come home less and less because she keeps tightening the noose around him. Ya have to let them go if you want them to come back. I feel sorry for Jaron, his embarrassing mum is ruining the little bit of confidence he got fro. Harvard so I think the tlc abusive people will follow Jaron around and mum less and less as he breaks her influence

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Gregory S's avatar

I haven't even watched yet but THIS HAS MADE MY DAY!

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Maria The Hammer's avatar

First: Thank you for doing the dirty work of watching this for us. It’s so upsetting to watch Jazz be tormented by his mother. His father is no better for allowing this shit. Second: I’m a 57 year old mother and grandmother. I was sad when the older two left the house and I still have one at home and I’ll be sad when he leaves, too. Jeannette is not normal. This whole thing is not normal. Third: I have a confession to make. I really liked this show when it came on. The reality of it didn’t really hit me until the scene of the two surgeons in the operating room arguing over what to slice and dice on Jazz’s genitals. I think that’s when it hit me like a ton of bricks: “What the fuck is going on here?” Also, “I can’t believe this shit is on TV!” Anyway, that’s when I started educating myself about this topic. Now I feel like I was an idiot for buying into this crap. My son is in high school and I see how this social contagion is spreading in the schools. He has a female friend that doesn’t identify as a female. I try not to roll my eyes when he comes home with this nonsense. I’m just happy he hasn’t “caught” it and will stay immune to it.

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Mary's avatar

I didn’t “get with the program “ at first either! I thought it was somewhat entertaining and Jazz reminded me of my own son.

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Lynn L's avatar

Every time he talks about wanting a romantic relationship, it sounds like he's describing a therapist.

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Theceilinghasmefloored's avatar

I was thinking the same exact thing!!

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Erin King's avatar

Same thoughts! Boy, get you to therapy!

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Ute Heggen's avatar

Very hard to watch! These young people who are so overweight at this age! The knees will be the first to go, probably in about 10 years. Way too young to develop joint problems. These parents are just sick. Good on you, Ex, for putting yourself through all of these episodes.

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