I am watching the original debate right now. It’s so infuriating to listen to this idiot condescend to you. You are so much smarter and more knowledgeable than he is. I admire your patience and persistence. I don’t think I could do it.
Yuh. Kinda like DDT. Great rodenticide, great insecticide. Killed all the bees in postwar Japan, the orchardists were pollinating the Cherry Trees by hand for years. Plus, bio-magnification. We almost wiped out Eagles in North America, lots of other birds had soft-shell eggs for years. And it showed up in human breast milk for years. Yup, great insecticide. Hey kids, try this puberty blocker! Great way to shake that adolescent unhappiness. Kill your bones, kill your sex organs, damage your brain. Cool!
Thanks for bringing up the DDT parallel. I worked against pesticide/chemical industry for decades, and learned the control of mega corporations over agencies, how harm data is suppressed, etc. We argued for the Precautionary Principle...don't use toxic chemicals unless and until safety is proven. We lost. (Yeah, DDT was eventually banned, but the entire history of pesticide regulation is decades of corporations keeping nasty pesticides going for DECADES, then letting them get banned in the U.S. cuz they'd come up with the next big money-maker chemical. Organophosphates, for example, rose as DDT declined.) The Precautionary Principle is never implemented wherever big bucks can be made. We need to change the economic system that makes democracy, and therefore rational decisions, impossible.
Glad to hear from someone else in the Green and Green-Related Industry. You get it. Once a pesticide is banned here, it goes straight to Central & South American Agriculture. One of my teachers had the "shakes" from Parathion (precursor to Malathion, still being sold here) used in the Peach orchards in the postwar South. A majority of the pickers were Black, as was our "bug lady" at WSU. She had chronic jaundice from organophosphates. She would "peak" and take a few weeks off. Kept coming back, though.
Watch--as soon as puberty blockers and wrong-sex hormones are banned here, lots of these foolish children will be taking "vacations" across the border. And Exulansic, your counterpart in the
interview used classic male techniques--interrupt, override, deride. Or, as my old boss used to say, "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bulls--t." I'm sure his target audience thought him brilliant. Apologies to the gentlemen in this audience.
I was a groundskeeper when Round-Up and string trimmers came out. At the time, both were blessings from the Gods. Now, I'm just waiting for the R-U to catch up with me. And 2,4-D, and MCPP, and all the insecticides and fungicides...Although, in defense of agricultural chemicals, we have foods free of vermin and disease, and plenty of it. Had the Irish had fungicides in the 1840s there wouldn't have been the potato famine. The Great Hunger, they called it. Wonder what the butchered children of the Great Trans Madness will call it when they (don't) grow up.
There was likely enough food to feed the Irish through the famine, even if poorly. There was not enough food for the Irish to ship their food to the British which is what England was making them do. That was a genocide more than a famine.
That seems to be starting the crash in the US now that motions for class actions are starting. Those mid afternoon "have you been injured" commercials looking for people injured by round up are popping up a lot now.
Considering those show up on local networks, I wonder when indeed. Public and local channels are still beholden to the mega media companies. I Am Jazz is owned by the same company that owns CNN. RuPaul's Drag race is with CBS. Disney owns ABC. Even at the local level I'm not sure when calls for that class action will be allowed. Especially since there's no precedent or real medical standard of care, just some crazy shit WPATH makes even crazier with every revision.
Sweden has decided to ban puberty blockers due to the toxic outcomes for children, it has insisted its going with psychological treatment first and for a long period. Why would Sweden do that if they did not realise exactly how bad pb are
Don't be obtuse dear, Sweden has realised that sterilising their children is child abuse and has gone with psychological treatment which works for children. It allows children to consider alternatives and treats other problems before and in only severe cases transition. This seems eminently sensible to me and I'd venture to say most of the world, and any who disagree with this imho are groomers
Dear Exulansic, I don't know who this guy is but even my husband, hearing just a bit of this in passing, could not help but notice how calm and measured you were in your responses to this maddening buffoon. He is constantly demanding citations from you and when you give them his response is to say "well, I'll have to look into that." Meanwhile he makes sweeping, unfounded generalizations and obviously expects you to accept them as factual.
Who is this guy? He's not fit to be in your comments section, much less to debate you. Happy New Year, and congratulations on being one of the most patient people I've ever witnessed on video. It was hard for me to stay quiet and I wasn't talking to him.
He's a rando that I first encountered on twitter being shitty to Shape Shifter and since Shape suggested we debate, and he had a nursing degree, I agreed. I didn't know what to expect.
I guess it's hard for Shape Shifter to let go of the people who have swallowed the trans dogma to the point where it is so obviously a central tentpole in their belief system.
These are always the most appealing to folks who know they should leave the cult and who mostly want to leave the cult but still hold out some hope that the cult may turn out to be right in some, or many, respects.
He is immersed in another world (video games, bro-life) and seems to take the whole thing as a given in such an offhand, rock solid way, it makes it seem normal to trans individuals who encounter him. Psychologically, his attitude toward trans issues is deeply soothing for troubled individuals who are struggling with the cult. It's a go-back-to-sleep/all-is-well attitude.
In my work with children (Early Childhood Educator for 8 years) I sometimes employed this attitude to give children in extraordinary circumstances a sense of being normal and safe.
I remember adopting this approach with children in foster care after horrific abuse, specifically when a hospital visit for surgery was in the offing. You pick them up, (if they're the kind of child that tolerates or needs safe, physical contact with an adult) and you walk around and talk about what's going to happen and how it's no big deal. This happens to lots of kids and they are perfectly fine afterwards. No worries, no need to be upset.
Bear in mind, I'm saying this as I walk around the daycare at closing time, with a three year old who needs rectal repair because her "stepfather" raped her violently. And as I'm talking, I can feel her calming down and looking past the surgery to her normal life (foster care, daycare, people who aren't ashamed of her, people who don't yell at her, safety) and that is my goal. I want her to get through this necessary surgery and then through the next months of foster care before adoption without feeling like her life is an irretrievable wreck. Her life may be terrifying and not even close to normal by my standards but it is normal to her. So I treat it as normal to get her through it to safety.
That is what this guy's attitude brings to mind for me. I have no doubt he thinks he's doing something good. He's not factoring in social contagion or even the damage that's been done to Shape Shifter by people who adopt this attitude.
I also think many more people adopt this attitude unconsciously, not as a means of protecting someone at risk, but as a way of protecting themselves from the horror of what they're hearing.
I think Shape Shifter might be hoping you can make this kind of person sound less rational than they typically do because there's probably a part of SS that wishes this guy was right.
You've done a mitzvah for your friend, clearing muddy water. That is a very kind way to end a year. Thank you.
As much as I prefer nurses to doctors, many make the same mistake of thinking treating patients with procedures handed down to them from on high is the same as being able to evaluate the procedure's effectiveness let alone parse and do research. Some nurses and doctors make advancements in the field based on practice, but like any field nearly all of them can't do shit without instructions. If they had to succeed on critical thought to do their job we'd just have more dead people and fewer nurses. Like this guy will clearly give people treatments without thinking them through and will kill people having good intentions all the way, wondering what went wrong.
What an utter moron. He must have slept through his puberty. We all experienced anxiety, we lived through it. People who persist with this anxiety and pain need support, not surgery. He is a complete moron.
Neither could I, too disturbing that a pompous jerk like this could act this way. The video game playing throughout was the height of disrespect, very distracting despite being boring, and showed the level of audience he’s going for. The good news is that critiques in the comments matched the number of adoring fans, so someone recognized Ex’s dignity and maybe heard the message.
It's so incredibly rude that hes playing a video game during the conversation. He's just saying words, not actively listening to anything Exulansic says.
when ex said that the training video at the philadelphia hospital demonstrated that “they” know they can encourage children with eating disorders to transition, he hyper focused on who they was….like bro if you fucking open your ears, maybe you’d know.
he was clearly just listening for “terf dogwhistles” to shriek about for his streamers to applaud shutting down actual conversation. so disrespectful.
I knew I was not going to convince him. Pearls before swine. But I believe this recording and my reaction to it can help demystify the blowhards who otherwise might succeed in intimidating people who know what's right.
You play 3D chess. It was really great to watch this video and see you take down his points one by one. The response video definitely made the original interview worth doing in the first place. Its really important to explain how his arguments are flat wrong. You have infinite patience!!!
i’m not even going to grace the original interview with a view. so grateful for this reaction video. it’s like a playbook on how to keep the conversation from veering into affirming the feelings cancer above all risks and health detriments.
I don't think it is worth 'debating' these beard bros. They do not know what you know, they usually did not look at the available studies in any detail, they think they are the voice of reason by virtue of having a cock. Sorry, you are worth five of him.
The whole discussion was incredibly disrespectful. He didn’t listen and think, he was playing a game at the same time. More interesting is how much some men are incredibly invested in child transition. This has clearly become a cultural thing that they share. All these beardy bros are incredibly confident that children have an infallible sense of their own gender identity, from a very young age. And anyone questioning that is an ‘insufferable Terf’.
Imo it's a mistake for feminists (whether they want to call themselves that or not) try to appeal to / reach out to / debate men who are on the side of patriarchy (or any at all imo). They see themselves as human, and yiu not. They look down on you, NOTHING you say will overcome that. It's a pointless endeavor that they gleefully laugh at you for doing it. It's embarrassing to do it. Kjk did the same a few weeks ago in a video reaching out to right wing men. Feminist authors have written about this and why we speak to women, not to men. You, at your level, demeaning yourself down to talk to this male disrespecting and playing a video game while talking about women's issues to an educated well spoken woman who acts like he's an equal, why? You're legitimizing his unquestioned authority as a man by doing it. In conclusion, delegitimize men. Stop watching them. Stop listening to them. It helps.
Of course
I am watching the original debate right now. It’s so infuriating to listen to this idiot condescend to you. You are so much smarter and more knowledgeable than he is. I admire your patience and persistence. I don’t think I could do it.
You look very cute! This dude really made me mad, not only did he interrupt you constantly, but his interruptions drowned out your audio.
Yuh. Kinda like DDT. Great rodenticide, great insecticide. Killed all the bees in postwar Japan, the orchardists were pollinating the Cherry Trees by hand for years. Plus, bio-magnification. We almost wiped out Eagles in North America, lots of other birds had soft-shell eggs for years. And it showed up in human breast milk for years. Yup, great insecticide. Hey kids, try this puberty blocker! Great way to shake that adolescent unhappiness. Kill your bones, kill your sex organs, damage your brain. Cool!
Thanks for bringing up the DDT parallel. I worked against pesticide/chemical industry for decades, and learned the control of mega corporations over agencies, how harm data is suppressed, etc. We argued for the Precautionary Principle...don't use toxic chemicals unless and until safety is proven. We lost. (Yeah, DDT was eventually banned, but the entire history of pesticide regulation is decades of corporations keeping nasty pesticides going for DECADES, then letting them get banned in the U.S. cuz they'd come up with the next big money-maker chemical. Organophosphates, for example, rose as DDT declined.) The Precautionary Principle is never implemented wherever big bucks can be made. We need to change the economic system that makes democracy, and therefore rational decisions, impossible.
Glad to hear from someone else in the Green and Green-Related Industry. You get it. Once a pesticide is banned here, it goes straight to Central & South American Agriculture. One of my teachers had the "shakes" from Parathion (precursor to Malathion, still being sold here) used in the Peach orchards in the postwar South. A majority of the pickers were Black, as was our "bug lady" at WSU. She had chronic jaundice from organophosphates. She would "peak" and take a few weeks off. Kept coming back, though.
Watch--as soon as puberty blockers and wrong-sex hormones are banned here, lots of these foolish children will be taking "vacations" across the border. And Exulansic, your counterpart in the
interview used classic male techniques--interrupt, override, deride. Or, as my old boss used to say, "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bulls--t." I'm sure his target audience thought him brilliant. Apologies to the gentlemen in this audience.
Glyphosate is a known carcinogen. People exposed develop non-Hodgkins lymphoma.
Everyone who has power knows this. However, it's cheaper to pay out those with the resources to pursue accountability, and keep selling it.
Blessed Be The Round Up Ready.
I was a groundskeeper when Round-Up and string trimmers came out. At the time, both were blessings from the Gods. Now, I'm just waiting for the R-U to catch up with me. And 2,4-D, and MCPP, and all the insecticides and fungicides...Although, in defense of agricultural chemicals, we have foods free of vermin and disease, and plenty of it. Had the Irish had fungicides in the 1840s there wouldn't have been the potato famine. The Great Hunger, they called it. Wonder what the butchered children of the Great Trans Madness will call it when they (don't) grow up.
There was likely enough food to feed the Irish through the famine, even if poorly. There was not enough food for the Irish to ship their food to the British which is what England was making them do. That was a genocide more than a famine.
Yes. The Corn Laws. No wonder they hate the British.
That seems to be starting the crash in the US now that motions for class actions are starting. Those mid afternoon "have you been injured" commercials looking for people injured by round up are popping up a lot now.
Wonder when the class action suits on "Have your genitals been mangled" will start showing commercials?
Considering those show up on local networks, I wonder when indeed. Public and local channels are still beholden to the mega media companies. I Am Jazz is owned by the same company that owns CNN. RuPaul's Drag race is with CBS. Disney owns ABC. Even at the local level I'm not sure when calls for that class action will be allowed. Especially since there's no precedent or real medical standard of care, just some crazy shit WPATH makes even crazier with every revision.
Fox?
Testerical display from the gentleman
Great neologism!
Great stuff, Exulansic.
Sweden has decided to ban puberty blockers due to the toxic outcomes for children, it has insisted its going with psychological treatment first and for a long period. Why would Sweden do that if they did not realise exactly how bad pb are
because it’s a country full of phobes who want trans people to stop existing! /s
Don't be obtuse dear, Sweden has realised that sterilising their children is child abuse and has gone with psychological treatment which works for children. It allows children to consider alternatives and treats other problems before and in only severe cases transition. This seems eminently sensible to me and I'd venture to say most of the world, and any who disagree with this imho are groomers
hi trudie, the /s at the end of my statement was to indicate i was using a sarcastic tone. i promise i’m a terf.
I'll take your word for it lol 😆 I'm not good with sarcasm, glad you are a terf its a great movement to be in
Dear Exulansic, I don't know who this guy is but even my husband, hearing just a bit of this in passing, could not help but notice how calm and measured you were in your responses to this maddening buffoon. He is constantly demanding citations from you and when you give them his response is to say "well, I'll have to look into that." Meanwhile he makes sweeping, unfounded generalizations and obviously expects you to accept them as factual.
Who is this guy? He's not fit to be in your comments section, much less to debate you. Happy New Year, and congratulations on being one of the most patient people I've ever witnessed on video. It was hard for me to stay quiet and I wasn't talking to him.
He's a rando that I first encountered on twitter being shitty to Shape Shifter and since Shape suggested we debate, and he had a nursing degree, I agreed. I didn't know what to expect.
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing...
very little, like, a crumb.
That crumb was crushed by ego long ago.
I guess it's hard for Shape Shifter to let go of the people who have swallowed the trans dogma to the point where it is so obviously a central tentpole in their belief system.
These are always the most appealing to folks who know they should leave the cult and who mostly want to leave the cult but still hold out some hope that the cult may turn out to be right in some, or many, respects.
He is immersed in another world (video games, bro-life) and seems to take the whole thing as a given in such an offhand, rock solid way, it makes it seem normal to trans individuals who encounter him. Psychologically, his attitude toward trans issues is deeply soothing for troubled individuals who are struggling with the cult. It's a go-back-to-sleep/all-is-well attitude.
In my work with children (Early Childhood Educator for 8 years) I sometimes employed this attitude to give children in extraordinary circumstances a sense of being normal and safe.
I remember adopting this approach with children in foster care after horrific abuse, specifically when a hospital visit for surgery was in the offing. You pick them up, (if they're the kind of child that tolerates or needs safe, physical contact with an adult) and you walk around and talk about what's going to happen and how it's no big deal. This happens to lots of kids and they are perfectly fine afterwards. No worries, no need to be upset.
Bear in mind, I'm saying this as I walk around the daycare at closing time, with a three year old who needs rectal repair because her "stepfather" raped her violently. And as I'm talking, I can feel her calming down and looking past the surgery to her normal life (foster care, daycare, people who aren't ashamed of her, people who don't yell at her, safety) and that is my goal. I want her to get through this necessary surgery and then through the next months of foster care before adoption without feeling like her life is an irretrievable wreck. Her life may be terrifying and not even close to normal by my standards but it is normal to her. So I treat it as normal to get her through it to safety.
That is what this guy's attitude brings to mind for me. I have no doubt he thinks he's doing something good. He's not factoring in social contagion or even the damage that's been done to Shape Shifter by people who adopt this attitude.
I also think many more people adopt this attitude unconsciously, not as a means of protecting someone at risk, but as a way of protecting themselves from the horror of what they're hearing.
I think Shape Shifter might be hoping you can make this kind of person sound less rational than they typically do because there's probably a part of SS that wishes this guy was right.
You've done a mitzvah for your friend, clearing muddy water. That is a very kind way to end a year. Thank you.
As much as I prefer nurses to doctors, many make the same mistake of thinking treating patients with procedures handed down to them from on high is the same as being able to evaluate the procedure's effectiveness let alone parse and do research. Some nurses and doctors make advancements in the field based on practice, but like any field nearly all of them can't do shit without instructions. If they had to succeed on critical thought to do their job we'd just have more dead people and fewer nurses. Like this guy will clearly give people treatments without thinking them through and will kill people having good intentions all the way, wondering what went wrong.
What an utter moron. He must have slept through his puberty. We all experienced anxiety, we lived through it. People who persist with this anxiety and pain need support, not surgery. He is a complete moron.
Sorry could not watch till the end.
Neither could I, too disturbing that a pompous jerk like this could act this way. The video game playing throughout was the height of disrespect, very distracting despite being boring, and showed the level of audience he’s going for. The good news is that critiques in the comments matched the number of adoring fans, so someone recognized Ex’s dignity and maybe heard the message.
It's so incredibly rude that hes playing a video game during the conversation. He's just saying words, not actively listening to anything Exulansic says.
I didn't know he was playing a game!
My thoughts exactly!
what a prick!!
when ex said that the training video at the philadelphia hospital demonstrated that “they” know they can encourage children with eating disorders to transition, he hyper focused on who they was….like bro if you fucking open your ears, maybe you’d know.
he was clearly just listening for “terf dogwhistles” to shriek about for his streamers to applaud shutting down actual conversation. so disrespectful.
You are so right. He was only listening for those "terf dogwhistles" to cheer on his troon fans while he mindlessly played a video game.
This is why its a waste of time and energy to argue with humans born with a pensis
I knew I was not going to convince him. Pearls before swine. But I believe this recording and my reaction to it can help demystify the blowhards who otherwise might succeed in intimidating people who know what's right.
You play 3D chess. It was really great to watch this video and see you take down his points one by one. The response video definitely made the original interview worth doing in the first place. Its really important to explain how his arguments are flat wrong. You have infinite patience!!!
i’m not even going to grace the original interview with a view. so grateful for this reaction video. it’s like a playbook on how to keep the conversation from veering into affirming the feelings cancer above all risks and health detriments.
Exactly. There is no need to give this incel views
I don't think it is worth 'debating' these beard bros. They do not know what you know, they usually did not look at the available studies in any detail, they think they are the voice of reason by virtue of having a cock. Sorry, you are worth five of him.
He is most valuable as fertiliser.
Or as Soylent Green.
Is this what a conversation with an intel is like?
Something about this guy gets under my skin.
Keep it up Sienna!
The whole discussion was incredibly disrespectful. He didn’t listen and think, he was playing a game at the same time. More interesting is how much some men are incredibly invested in child transition. This has clearly become a cultural thing that they share. All these beardy bros are incredibly confident that children have an infallible sense of their own gender identity, from a very young age. And anyone questioning that is an ‘insufferable Terf’.
Transgender rights activists are so arrogant and ignorant.
Thank you, Exulansic. I look forward to part two.
part 2 oh dear
Imo it's a mistake for feminists (whether they want to call themselves that or not) try to appeal to / reach out to / debate men who are on the side of patriarchy (or any at all imo). They see themselves as human, and yiu not. They look down on you, NOTHING you say will overcome that. It's a pointless endeavor that they gleefully laugh at you for doing it. It's embarrassing to do it. Kjk did the same a few weeks ago in a video reaching out to right wing men. Feminist authors have written about this and why we speak to women, not to men. You, at your level, demeaning yourself down to talk to this male disrespecting and playing a video game while talking about women's issues to an educated well spoken woman who acts like he's an equal, why? You're legitimizing his unquestioned authority as a man by doing it. In conclusion, delegitimize men. Stop watching them. Stop listening to them. It helps.
Perfectly put and far more eloquent and less sweary than my version. These men are not worth your time and you are barely human to them.