Yes. Kinsey was a poor scientist to put it mildly. He fudged his figures by researching male on male sex in male prisons to overstate rate of homosexuality in men in wider society purely to validate himself as a gay male. Worse, far worse ... he worked happily with a prolific child rapist to collect data on 'child orgasms'. Screaming from a two year old girl as she was forcibly penetrated vaginally by an adult male was interpreted as an orgasm btw. The rapes included that of infants. The data exists in a section of his published research as Table 34. It's horrifying stuff and Kinsey knew it was all based on child rapes. He corresponded with the pedophile who described each rape and the children's responses in gross detail.
There's a very good old UK documentary about all this that everyone should watch.
doncha’ know that nerve fibers can heal and be implanted into different parts of the body to give sensation to tissue with some careful stitching and scarring? /s
trim here, suture there…snip, flip….voilà, one neopenis the size of a coke can sewn over the cavity where the dysphoria-inducing, cancer riddled uterus was.
they can’t…actually feel it yet. but don’t worry, with the identification of these 10,000 nerve endings, some brave pioneer will find a way to reconstruct the clitoris into a neohead for the neopenis. it will be beautiful and brave. and would likely see a 95-100% failure rate. and a price tag of $100k+.
so sorry, i’m stoned and feeling sassy. happy holidays, paper clip!
Upon reading the title of the study— {Insert Nicolas Cage meme: YOU DON’T SAY} The fact that their point of reference was a cow’s clit this whole time shows how much of a disconnect there is in women’s medicine... did they really have to mutilate women in order to find the clit?! A lot of these doctors won’t admit their ignorance because the text book didn’t show them. They will tell you “it’s all in your head” and send you on your way, but not before paying a ridiculous price for being disrespected.
yes. doctors don't believe in things they weren't given explicit lessons on in school, and most illnesses women have they aren't taught about. further, i've read that much female genital anatomy, including nerve structures, are poorly studied and defined. in surgeries, our nerves get cut all the time because doctors aren't taught they are there.
Goodness, thank you for sharing that there is an underlying belief that certain parts of female anatomy don't feel pain which then justifies the use of various tools in gynecological exams. It helps me to understand some of the (rather excruciating) procedures I have endured over the years.
There's definitely that, but fun fact: most gynecology students never insert a speculum into a live, conscious woman during instruction. They practice on cadavers, women under anesthesia (read those waivers reeeeeaaaaaal carefully), or silicone dummies that rip if you insert a speculum into them the way you might insert them into a woman to *not* cause pain. Many states won't allow live instruction of pelvic exams because they consider it "sexually explicit". 🙄 There are a handful of selfless and brave women who do teach gyno students how to do pelvic exams, using their own bodies. I considered doing it, but despite my state's "progressive" policies in many respects (yay for homeless encampments all over, instead of, you know...addiction treatment), it seems that live pelvic exam instruction isn't done here. Last I checked, a few years ago, at any rate. In my personal opinion, most doctors are fucking hacks. There's a few thousand really good ones, but mostly you get D tier.
Something that got buried in the medical literature in the late Nineteenth or early Twentieth century is the discovery (from the horrendous vivisections that were conducted) of the enteric brain. It was later rediscovered in the Twentieth, and it seems to me that the medical industry would rather forget about it. Latest I heard about intuition is that it is in the cranium, when everyone knows it comes from their gut! I’m infuriated by medical businesspeople saying that there’s a “mental illness” in the patient, when there’s actually *mental* illness going on with a person claiming to be “professional” who would say that. I have relatives who have been diagnosed with Manic-Depressive Illness (I refuse to use their newer terms) who are relentlessly told that they have a “mental” illness, when they are clearly experiencing neurological difficulties. I think mental illness as a term should be reserved for psychological conditions such as personality disorders. How is an epileptic person mentally ill? They don’t get called “mentally ill” for having a neurological condition. Why no stigma for them? My sister is currently battling the mentally ill proclamations that psychiatrists make to her, as she is a deeply empathic person and their “treatment” for her is toxic neuroleptic drugs, emotional manipulation, and gaslighting. It is narcissistic abuse she’s enduring, not appropriate medical treatment for her medical condition. I have little respect left for this industry, as it causes more harm than it brings helpfulness to people. I also live with an iatrogenic neurological condition that began when many of my permanent teeth (eye teeth included!) were yanked out of my head at the age of ten, just because the dentist got paid to do it. Migraines and other odd symptoms began immediately. I’m not psychic, I just have perception of what is going on inside my body to a degree that isn’t typical. I think an electrical paradigm is a more accurate one for anything claiming to be “medicine” or “scientific.” Maybe then we could find out what is responsible for the EEG patterns of human brains? I’ll mention Dr. Stuart Hameroff again, because he’s a professor of anesthesiology and psychology at University of Arizona, who is a consciousness researcher that isn’t full of “woo” (I’ll be the first to admit that some definitely are!). He’s well grounded and intently focused on the data obtained from he and his colleagues’ recent experiments. He said we need a new paradigm for consciousness and I’m certainly in agreement with that. I’m not buying the “separate” psychological explanation, either. When will those of us who live in this hellhole called “civilization” realize that the false belief in male supremacy is what taints it with such violence and murderousness? I fail to see how it is anything besides organized savagery. The social/political dynamics of how the “scientific” institutions work is the fatal flaw, IMO. Those who claim to be authorities have gotten their positions through a social system that is anything but egalitarian, so I won’t make the deadly mistake of thinking there’s anything much resembling “Science” going on in medicine. At the point of service, it’s a profit-taking business, and as far as the rest of it goes, it’s so controlled by special interests and corporatized that it’s quite emotionally immature not to question its motives. Control of human bodies is what the chemical paradigm allows the industry, and they’ve damaged us enough, I think. Thanks for letting me comment here. Happy Holidays and celebrations to you, too! ⛄️🎁🎄🎊🍾🥂🥳🎉
22 years ago, I had my last child. My former ob/gyn had his medical license revoked - I never found out why. That’s what brought my husband and I to a new doctor. His waiting room on Park Ave. was full of women from all walks of life, all colors and all neighborhoods. He was so kind - and for his kindness and compassion he was put in jail for 7 years! Why? Because he had defrauded the insurance companies by helping women who wanted to get pregnant but could not afford the astronomical amount of money needed! I thought he was a hero but the government and insurance companies felt differently. We spent months, my husband did most of it to help him both legally and emotionally. As per usual, most everyone who had been in his circle abandoned him. 7 years for fudging some numbers for the greater good ( I think so). After watching this video, it makes more sense to me. Is that a stretch? Anyway, MERRY TERFMAS to all!! Happy Holidays!❤️
Wow. Thankfully, I have a very pragmatic, smart and evidence based female gyno who seems to know her stuff and does not give me bad advice. But I have just seen the 'dissasociative seizures' thing play out! A woman I know has this condition and is in treatment by a specialist in epilepsy. The psychiatrists at the local day clinic immediately wanted to change her meds when she had an episode, based on a lot of guesswork about what caused it. She thankfully knew enough to reject the idea outright. It is scary how much of psychiatry is based on guesswork. The smart psychiatrists realize that and are careful to state what they know and do not know. Beware the overconfident psychiatrist.
I took a friend to her gynecologist office for a “keep procedure”. No anesthesia. She still remembers the pain 20 years later. She was in agony. I didn’t know how to help her.
First, the clitoris is MUCH LARGER than the tiny tip. If there are 10,000 nerve endings in the tiny tip, what about the rest of the clitoris?
Second, NO MALES should be permitted to become gynecologists or obstetricians (I don't care if a commenter had a "good one.") Men have done nothing but harm to women's bodies and have interfered monstrously with pregnancy and birth.
Third, I so appreciate Exulansic's emphasis on the PHYSICAL. I wish someone had tested my nephew -- diagnosed as paranoid schizophrenic, committed suicide at age 23 -- for possibly physiological bases for his illness. Hypothyroidism -- which can lead to hallucinations -- is rampant in our family. A psychiatrist in the 1960s cured 75 to 85 of his schizophrenic patients by their following an excellent diet with a very high intake of niacin. All symptoms abated and returned when the niacin was withdrawn; Adelle Davis speculated that some people just have an extremely high requirement for niacin. My nephew only had talk therapy, which did him no good.
This notion that we are brains -- and not even the physical reality of brains -- walking around in a meat suit is horrific. I know someone who had serious blackouts, then gran mal seizures, and a neurologist as well as every other specialist under the sun were utterly clueless. When he was hospitalized and told the hospitalist, the doctor (foreign-born, wouldn't you know) knew right away what was wrong: acute metabolic encephalopathy. One taste of sugar, his body floods with insulin (the encephalopathy refers to decreased liver function), and out he goes. I'm now wondering how many people this happens to, and the medical "professionals" are clueless.
I was too, but just once so far. Which can be enough of course, I’m not minimizing it!(That was a female gyn !)
I’m sorry that happened to you several times, sounds horrible. Seems they both have limited knowledge of the female anatomy, male and female gyn’s. I hear a lot of mistreatment stories. They are not rare exceptions, unfortunately. And I haven’t seen much progress through research in gynecology the last decades. Probably not easy to get money for research/ studies.
Yes. Kinsey was a poor scientist to put it mildly. He fudged his figures by researching male on male sex in male prisons to overstate rate of homosexuality in men in wider society purely to validate himself as a gay male. Worse, far worse ... he worked happily with a prolific child rapist to collect data on 'child orgasms'. Screaming from a two year old girl as she was forcibly penetrated vaginally by an adult male was interpreted as an orgasm btw. The rapes included that of infants. The data exists in a section of his published research as Table 34. It's horrifying stuff and Kinsey knew it was all based on child rapes. He corresponded with the pedophile who described each rape and the children's responses in gross detail.
There's a very good old UK documentary about all this that everyone should watch.
https://youtu.be/W6J7qLv-2hA
The Kinsey Institute is built on a foundation of bad science and child rape. It belongs in the dustbin of history.
there was a gentle sweet sympathetic biopic of him with liam neeson and laura linney. now a totally fictional story?
Isn’t that called Female Genital Mutilation? “A violation of the human rights of girls…” (WHO, 2021).
https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/female-genital-mutilation
"nerve fibers that had been **trimmed**"????????/ WTAF?
doncha’ know that nerve fibers can heal and be implanted into different parts of the body to give sensation to tissue with some careful stitching and scarring? /s
trim here, suture there…snip, flip….voilà, one neopenis the size of a coke can sewn over the cavity where the dysphoria-inducing, cancer riddled uterus was.
they can’t…actually feel it yet. but don’t worry, with the identification of these 10,000 nerve endings, some brave pioneer will find a way to reconstruct the clitoris into a neohead for the neopenis. it will be beautiful and brave. and would likely see a 95-100% failure rate. and a price tag of $100k+.
so sorry, i’m stoned and feeling sassy. happy holidays, paper clip!
Upon reading the title of the study— {Insert Nicolas Cage meme: YOU DON’T SAY} The fact that their point of reference was a cow’s clit this whole time shows how much of a disconnect there is in women’s medicine... did they really have to mutilate women in order to find the clit?! A lot of these doctors won’t admit their ignorance because the text book didn’t show them. They will tell you “it’s all in your head” and send you on your way, but not before paying a ridiculous price for being disrespected.
yes. doctors don't believe in things they weren't given explicit lessons on in school, and most illnesses women have they aren't taught about. further, i've read that much female genital anatomy, including nerve structures, are poorly studied and defined. in surgeries, our nerves get cut all the time because doctors aren't taught they are there.
Thank you, Exulansic
Goodness, thank you for sharing that there is an underlying belief that certain parts of female anatomy don't feel pain which then justifies the use of various tools in gynecological exams. It helps me to understand some of the (rather excruciating) procedures I have endured over the years.
denigrating female pain is medically convenient.
There's definitely that, but fun fact: most gynecology students never insert a speculum into a live, conscious woman during instruction. They practice on cadavers, women under anesthesia (read those waivers reeeeeaaaaaal carefully), or silicone dummies that rip if you insert a speculum into them the way you might insert them into a woman to *not* cause pain. Many states won't allow live instruction of pelvic exams because they consider it "sexually explicit". 🙄 There are a handful of selfless and brave women who do teach gyno students how to do pelvic exams, using their own bodies. I considered doing it, but despite my state's "progressive" policies in many respects (yay for homeless encampments all over, instead of, you know...addiction treatment), it seems that live pelvic exam instruction isn't done here. Last I checked, a few years ago, at any rate. In my personal opinion, most doctors are fucking hacks. There's a few thousand really good ones, but mostly you get D tier.
Something that got buried in the medical literature in the late Nineteenth or early Twentieth century is the discovery (from the horrendous vivisections that were conducted) of the enteric brain. It was later rediscovered in the Twentieth, and it seems to me that the medical industry would rather forget about it. Latest I heard about intuition is that it is in the cranium, when everyone knows it comes from their gut! I’m infuriated by medical businesspeople saying that there’s a “mental illness” in the patient, when there’s actually *mental* illness going on with a person claiming to be “professional” who would say that. I have relatives who have been diagnosed with Manic-Depressive Illness (I refuse to use their newer terms) who are relentlessly told that they have a “mental” illness, when they are clearly experiencing neurological difficulties. I think mental illness as a term should be reserved for psychological conditions such as personality disorders. How is an epileptic person mentally ill? They don’t get called “mentally ill” for having a neurological condition. Why no stigma for them? My sister is currently battling the mentally ill proclamations that psychiatrists make to her, as she is a deeply empathic person and their “treatment” for her is toxic neuroleptic drugs, emotional manipulation, and gaslighting. It is narcissistic abuse she’s enduring, not appropriate medical treatment for her medical condition. I have little respect left for this industry, as it causes more harm than it brings helpfulness to people. I also live with an iatrogenic neurological condition that began when many of my permanent teeth (eye teeth included!) were yanked out of my head at the age of ten, just because the dentist got paid to do it. Migraines and other odd symptoms began immediately. I’m not psychic, I just have perception of what is going on inside my body to a degree that isn’t typical. I think an electrical paradigm is a more accurate one for anything claiming to be “medicine” or “scientific.” Maybe then we could find out what is responsible for the EEG patterns of human brains? I’ll mention Dr. Stuart Hameroff again, because he’s a professor of anesthesiology and psychology at University of Arizona, who is a consciousness researcher that isn’t full of “woo” (I’ll be the first to admit that some definitely are!). He’s well grounded and intently focused on the data obtained from he and his colleagues’ recent experiments. He said we need a new paradigm for consciousness and I’m certainly in agreement with that. I’m not buying the “separate” psychological explanation, either. When will those of us who live in this hellhole called “civilization” realize that the false belief in male supremacy is what taints it with such violence and murderousness? I fail to see how it is anything besides organized savagery. The social/political dynamics of how the “scientific” institutions work is the fatal flaw, IMO. Those who claim to be authorities have gotten their positions through a social system that is anything but egalitarian, so I won’t make the deadly mistake of thinking there’s anything much resembling “Science” going on in medicine. At the point of service, it’s a profit-taking business, and as far as the rest of it goes, it’s so controlled by special interests and corporatized that it’s quite emotionally immature not to question its motives. Control of human bodies is what the chemical paradigm allows the industry, and they’ve damaged us enough, I think. Thanks for letting me comment here. Happy Holidays and celebrations to you, too! ⛄️🎁🎄🎊🍾🥂🥳🎉
22 years ago, I had my last child. My former ob/gyn had his medical license revoked - I never found out why. That’s what brought my husband and I to a new doctor. His waiting room on Park Ave. was full of women from all walks of life, all colors and all neighborhoods. He was so kind - and for his kindness and compassion he was put in jail for 7 years! Why? Because he had defrauded the insurance companies by helping women who wanted to get pregnant but could not afford the astronomical amount of money needed! I thought he was a hero but the government and insurance companies felt differently. We spent months, my husband did most of it to help him both legally and emotionally. As per usual, most everyone who had been in his circle abandoned him. 7 years for fudging some numbers for the greater good ( I think so). After watching this video, it makes more sense to me. Is that a stretch? Anyway, MERRY TERFMAS to all!! Happy Holidays!❤️
oh i know the cervix feels pain from PIV sex. Used to call it my "owie wall" as a teenager.
Wow. Thankfully, I have a very pragmatic, smart and evidence based female gyno who seems to know her stuff and does not give me bad advice. But I have just seen the 'dissasociative seizures' thing play out! A woman I know has this condition and is in treatment by a specialist in epilepsy. The psychiatrists at the local day clinic immediately wanted to change her meds when she had an episode, based on a lot of guesswork about what caused it. She thankfully knew enough to reject the idea outright. It is scary how much of psychiatry is based on guesswork. The smart psychiatrists realize that and are careful to state what they know and do not know. Beware the overconfident psychiatrist.
I took a friend to her gynecologist office for a “keep procedure”. No anesthesia. She still remembers the pain 20 years later. She was in agony. I didn’t know how to help her.
Leep procedure. Bad eyesight 😜
So grateful I woke up before worse things happened
Where do they even tell them it got "buried"?
Where to begin?
First, the clitoris is MUCH LARGER than the tiny tip. If there are 10,000 nerve endings in the tiny tip, what about the rest of the clitoris?
Second, NO MALES should be permitted to become gynecologists or obstetricians (I don't care if a commenter had a "good one.") Men have done nothing but harm to women's bodies and have interfered monstrously with pregnancy and birth.
Third, I so appreciate Exulansic's emphasis on the PHYSICAL. I wish someone had tested my nephew -- diagnosed as paranoid schizophrenic, committed suicide at age 23 -- for possibly physiological bases for his illness. Hypothyroidism -- which can lead to hallucinations -- is rampant in our family. A psychiatrist in the 1960s cured 75 to 85 of his schizophrenic patients by their following an excellent diet with a very high intake of niacin. All symptoms abated and returned when the niacin was withdrawn; Adelle Davis speculated that some people just have an extremely high requirement for niacin. My nephew only had talk therapy, which did him no good.
This notion that we are brains -- and not even the physical reality of brains -- walking around in a meat suit is horrific. I know someone who had serious blackouts, then gran mal seizures, and a neurologist as well as every other specialist under the sun were utterly clueless. When he was hospitalized and told the hospitalist, the doctor (foreign-born, wouldn't you know) knew right away what was wrong: acute metabolic encephalopathy. One taste of sugar, his body floods with insulin (the encephalopathy refers to decreased liver function), and out he goes. I'm now wondering how many people this happens to, and the medical "professionals" are clueless.
I would never choose a male gynecologist, NEVER! But even some women don‘t know too much about their sex organs:(
I've been severely mistreated by both male and female gynecologists
I was too, but just once so far. Which can be enough of course, I’m not minimizing it!(That was a female gyn !)
I’m sorry that happened to you several times, sounds horrible. Seems they both have limited knowledge of the female anatomy, male and female gyn’s. I hear a lot of mistreatment stories. They are not rare exceptions, unfortunately. And I haven’t seen much progress through research in gynecology the last decades. Probably not easy to get money for research/ studies.