"Breastectomy" thanks for that. You know how it bothers me. It's telling isn't it, that she wasn't concerned about Testosterone and babies but flew out of state for breast milk? I know it's best, but it seems like something odd to focus on. How many more I wonder. 🙂↕️
Def WTF right there. She had breasts that would have produced milk, but cuts them off, and then wants someone else’s milk. Seriously, you can’t make this stuff up
This is a complete waste of a life, and her kids now have no mum. Testosterone killed her. it's that blunt. Her child also had a cosmetic double mastectomy following her mom's example. What are we doing to the children?
I think there may be confusion. Her child didn't have a mastectomy.
When Ex says... "She had two children, at least one of whom followed her breastectomy." she's saying that at least one of her children was born after Liam had her breasts cut off.
She means a birth followed Liam's mastectomy, not that a child followed her mother's example by having a mastectomy.
Although nowadays I wouldn't be a surprised if some transhausen by proxy mom tried to do that to a toddler. 🤦♀️
Do they hand out such papers in Canada as standard? Like EVERY parent is sent home with such "information"?? And they wonder why there's a rise of the right.
Thanks for describing this really sad case. She needed psychological help and obviously never got it. Then there’s the possibility of medical negligence re doctors providing testosterone for her and in affirming her mental health disorder by encouraging her to believe she can change sex. Do they hold inquests in the USA? As there needs to be some sort of enquiry into her death and the deaths of other women on testosterone.
In the U.S., the coroner reports who the person was, when did the person die, how did they die (heart attack, etc), in what context did they die (ie heart attack caused by organ failure caused by cancer, etc). If these facts yield potentially incriminating information, the family can choose to sue someone. Families of trans people killed by medical transition need $$$ to sue doctors who knowingly give their patients sham “care.” Obviously, giving any woman male amounts of testosterone or any man female amounts of estrogen etc should be criminal, bc there is a 100% that disrupting someone’s endocrine system like that will cause disease.
For example my now dead Trans then H started taking estrogen when he was 66, he was castrated at 70 (!) and he started suffering a recurrence of prostate swelling 10 years later, which was 4 years before he needed a prostatic artery embolism to allow him to pee. Unfortunately PAE ops often go wrong. His went wrong and he became incontinent. He committed suicide a few months later by slipping head first out of a second floor window onto a paved patio. He had designed the window himself, because he was an architect in private practice. He was - obviously - not a happy man/woman/whatever.
I've seen a medical paper that has highlighted that trans-identified men who take oestrogen are are at increased risk of developing a particularly aggressive form of prostate cancer. Why don't people get it into their heads that you can't overdose on sex hormones and get away with it scott free?!
My brother was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes at 14. He was sick all the time and it took him quite a while to get everything under control. I can only imagine how sick she was by insisting on taking sky high amounts of testosterone. I'm sure their comrades would love to sweep this under the rug and blame it on anything but her being trans. Wtf is going on with these people? Smh
How old do you think the children are? Seems to me the AMA should be swamped with cards and letters listing the causes of death of these women who were lured into this cult. I imagine no one keeps data on how many children were orphaned~
The Scandinavian national health systems have methods for researchers to mine the data. In the US, it is much more political, the "gender centers" do not report and much more actual data is needed. Ex is a helpful start with all of this hidden indoctrination.
The poor bairns have no chance. Their father is a vile narcissist who decided to trans after Liam. He claimed to be their 'mother' and was fighting Liam for custody, Ex has written about him
I hope the children get placed with grandparents or another family member.
This is horrible!! Her poor family, her poor children!! Are doctors stupid, do they not care, do they want to cause harm? Or is it just the money they want? This practice really needs to be stopped.
Silverlining: more evidence that this lifestyle is deadly. My friend's ex is a TiF. She says "whatever makes her happy". She agrees she wouldnt support me shooting dope, even if it made me happy. Hopefully we can prevent more preventable death by sharing stories of preventable deaths caused by testosterone abuse.
It's the $$$. Occasionally drug dealers are prosecuted for causing an addict's death. I look forward to the day when "gender affirming" doctors are arrested, tried, and jailed for doing harm.
Sadly, I think there will be many, many more like her. I doubt anyone will pay attention until the numbers hit triple figures, or maybe even more. This is just the beginning of these side effects starting to kick in.
As sad as this story is, I can't help but feel annoyed at "Liam" for putting her obsession first and then bringing innocent children into the mess that was her life. Two-spirit? Why not try being your own real one spirit and accepting and honoring your body as it is? Or if you're a lesbian, in 2009 or earlier, couldn't a good psychotherapist have helped you accept yourself? Not my business, not quite for me to judge, but I just don't get this kind of self-harm and self-indulgence. So misguided. She was missing good role models in life, that's probably a given. What a shame for all concerned. Thank you, Ex, for another story everyone should read.👍🏼 I plan to share. ... p.s. yes to what other commenters have said about the doctors involved. Could it be said that she became addicted to T? This is abuse of the vulnerable to the highest degree.
The narrative suggests she had poorly managed Type 1 since childhood. That is a very serious disease, and was the most important thing to develop a treatment and lifestyle plan for. I know people who have lived a very long time with that disease, but they are organized, disciplined, and have created good support--they built their lives around supporting their health. It's not something a person can ignore. We have no info here on the patient's family of origin or SA history. None of her behavior makes even short-term sense. The photograph shows a person with a dull and bloated complexion, indicating poor habits and health. She should have been refused any affirming care and sent to intensive emotional counseling from the get-go. Now there are two motherless children.
No, I don’t believe the medical staff would have allowed an active alcoholic to receive a precious kidney, depriving a healthier patient of the transplant. Not without proof of ongoing recovery from alcoholism.
Her poor kids have no mother now. I've known more than a few type 1 diabetics in my life they have to really watch how they do everything to stay in good health, it is jaw dropping how no one bothered to take this into consideration when prescribing all this to her, we should all know who the the doctor who did this is as well as the rest who do this to these people that they are on notice.
All that bullshit about "testosterone is safe" pisses me off because, despite being understudied, data still exists on women with PCOS and female body builders and it all says that LONG TERM ELEVATED TESTOSTERONE WILL KILL YOU. Stroke, kidney failure, heart disease, diabetes - all have higher risk with naturally elevated testosterone. It's not a fucking game these doctors are playing, it's magical thinking that kills people.
Testosterone is perfectly safe -- if you're a man. Just like estrogen is perfectly safe -- if you're a woman. Can't put the hormones in the wrong body though... 🤔
The relationship between testosterone and pre-eclampsia is doubtless complicated. PCOS is a side-effect of insulin resistance, which is the body's attempt to avoid storing any more fat from a fatty diet. We think of insulin as a hormone that reduces blood sugar, but it also promotes storage of fat and protein synthesis from amino acids. Basically, insulin is an anabolic hormone that tells our bodies to store the nutrients we've just eaten. If your body has judged that it has already stored enough fat, it may try to resist further weight gain by resisting insulin. But then, your pancreas will release extra insulin to keep your blood sugar within normal limits. The hypersecretion of insulin can then alter the sex hormones, leading to the high testosterone that drives PCOS. This is why weight loss can reverse PCOS. For many women, even losing a small amount of weight (about 10 pounds) can be enough to restore ovulation and fertility. (It's also why many women are unexpectedly becoming pregnant on Ozempic.)
Pre-eclampsia is the result of the failure of the woman's blood volume to expand enough to meet the needs of pregnancy. All of the features of pre-eclampsia reflect either the low blood volume itself (e.g., poor placental development and intrauterine growth failure) or the body's attempt to correct the blood volume deficit (robust activation of the renin-angiotensin-aldosterone system, leading to hypertension and edema). The problem is that there is not enough plasma protein to hold sufficient amounts of fluid inside the blood vessels. This is typically the result of either of two problems: either the woman is on the edge of starvation because she is not getting enough calories, or she is overfed on a fatty diet and her body is resisting insulin to try to avoid storing any more fat, so she is releasing so much glucagon that she is turning her plasma proteins into excess blood sugar. So, it's possible that Liam's diabetes was a severe case of type 2. The relationship between serum testosterone and pre-eclampsia could reflect the fact that the metabolic problem that causes pre-eclampsia also causes high testosterone levels in women. But it is also theoretically possible that exogenous testosterone could make the problem much worse because of its effects on protein metabolism.
A lot of people are confused about the names of the different forms of diabetes. If you have type 1 diabetes, it means that your pancreas is not making enough insulin to keep you alive. (The usual cause of type 1 diabetes is an autoimmune disease, often triggered by a protein in cow's milk, that destroyed the beta cells of the pancreas. However, there is also an autosomal recessive genetic condition called infantile diabetes that causes severe insulin deficiency in newborns.) If you have type 2 diabetes, it means that your body is resisting the effects of insulin, to keep you from storing any more fat. Type 1 diabetes used to be called "juvenile" diabetes because it often arose in childhood. (But Mary Tyler Moore got it in her 30s.) Type 2 diabetes used to be called adult-onset diabetes because it typically arose in adulthood. But with the rise in childhood obesity, it's now more common than type 1 in pediatric clinics. There are also some hereditary forms of diabetes that is often mistaken for type 2 diabetes because they cause a relatively mild hyperglycemia but does not lead to ketosis, coma, and death. These conditions are called maturity-onset diabetes of the young (MODY). They are inherited as an autosomal dominant trait.
It is inexcusable to give testosterone to women for cosmetic reasons. It would be downright criminal to give testosterone to a diabetic woman of childbearing potential.
I can never understand identifying so strongly as a male you're willing to chop off your breasts and take T to masculinize, yet you're also happy to get pregnant, and give birth the ultimate expression of femaleness? If you're experiencing gender dysphoria from having tits and a beardless face alone, surely pregnancy would be orders of magnitude more troubling? It makes me question the idea they suffer from dysphoria at all tbqh.
Helen these people are disturbed beyond human comprehension. You should be reading into phenomena like "demonic possession" to begin to get a grip on it.
Another heartbreaking statistic. :-(
"Self Destroyed"....Greek tragedy alive & well.
"Breastectomy" thanks for that. You know how it bothers me. It's telling isn't it, that she wasn't concerned about Testosterone and babies but flew out of state for breast milk? I know it's best, but it seems like something odd to focus on. How many more I wonder. 🙂↕️
Def WTF right there. She had breasts that would have produced milk, but cuts them off, and then wants someone else’s milk. Seriously, you can’t make this stuff up
This is a complete waste of a life, and her kids now have no mum. Testosterone killed her. it's that blunt. Her child also had a cosmetic double mastectomy following her mom's example. What are we doing to the children?
"Her child also had a cosmetic double mastectomy following her mom's example. "?
What?! Where's that? How old are her kids?
2 and 4
I think there may be confusion. Her child didn't have a mastectomy.
When Ex says... "She had two children, at least one of whom followed her breastectomy." she's saying that at least one of her children was born after Liam had her breasts cut off.
She means a birth followed Liam's mastectomy, not that a child followed her mother's example by having a mastectomy.
Although nowadays I wouldn't be a surprised if some transhausen by proxy mom tried to do that to a toddler. 🤦♀️
Ah thanks for explaining. It confused me too that bit.
Her kids are under 5
Good god. The level of depravity is astounding. Seriously.
Do they hand out such papers in Canada as standard? Like EVERY parent is sent home with such "information"?? And they wonder why there's a rise of the right.
Eats shoots and leaves
I read this as her second child was born after her elective double mastectomy, she still had breasts when Child 1 was born.
Thanks for describing this really sad case. She needed psychological help and obviously never got it. Then there’s the possibility of medical negligence re doctors providing testosterone for her and in affirming her mental health disorder by encouraging her to believe she can change sex. Do they hold inquests in the USA? As there needs to be some sort of enquiry into her death and the deaths of other women on testosterone.
In the U.S., the coroner reports who the person was, when did the person die, how did they die (heart attack, etc), in what context did they die (ie heart attack caused by organ failure caused by cancer, etc). If these facts yield potentially incriminating information, the family can choose to sue someone. Families of trans people killed by medical transition need $$$ to sue doctors who knowingly give their patients sham “care.” Obviously, giving any woman male amounts of testosterone or any man female amounts of estrogen etc should be criminal, bc there is a 100% that disrupting someone’s endocrine system like that will cause disease.
For example my now dead Trans then H started taking estrogen when he was 66, he was castrated at 70 (!) and he started suffering a recurrence of prostate swelling 10 years later, which was 4 years before he needed a prostatic artery embolism to allow him to pee. Unfortunately PAE ops often go wrong. His went wrong and he became incontinent. He committed suicide a few months later by slipping head first out of a second floor window onto a paved patio. He had designed the window himself, because he was an architect in private practice. He was - obviously - not a happy man/woman/whatever.
I've seen a medical paper that has highlighted that trans-identified men who take oestrogen are are at increased risk of developing a particularly aggressive form of prostate cancer. Why don't people get it into their heads that you can't overdose on sex hormones and get away with it scott free?!
You are absolutely right!
Baby's heads look big or is it perspective? Every day this bs seems more idiotic
My brother was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes at 14. He was sick all the time and it took him quite a while to get everything under control. I can only imagine how sick she was by insisting on taking sky high amounts of testosterone. I'm sure their comrades would love to sweep this under the rug and blame it on anything but her being trans. Wtf is going on with these people? Smh
How old do you think the children are? Seems to me the AMA should be swamped with cards and letters listing the causes of death of these women who were lured into this cult. I imagine no one keeps data on how many children were orphaned~
The Scandinavian national health systems have methods for researchers to mine the data. In the US, it is much more political, the "gender centers" do not report and much more actual data is needed. Ex is a helpful start with all of this hidden indoctrination.
2 and 4
Oh dear.
The poor bairns have no chance. Their father is a vile narcissist who decided to trans after Liam. He claimed to be their 'mother' and was fighting Liam for custody, Ex has written about him
I hope the children get placed with grandparents or another family member.
This is horrible!! Her poor family, her poor children!! Are doctors stupid, do they not care, do they want to cause harm? Or is it just the money they want? This practice really needs to be stopped.
Silverlining: more evidence that this lifestyle is deadly. My friend's ex is a TiF. She says "whatever makes her happy". She agrees she wouldnt support me shooting dope, even if it made me happy. Hopefully we can prevent more preventable death by sharing stories of preventable deaths caused by testosterone abuse.
It's the $$$. Occasionally drug dealers are prosecuted for causing an addict's death. I look forward to the day when "gender affirming" doctors are arrested, tried, and jailed for doing harm.
Sadly, I think there will be many, many more like her. I doubt anyone will pay attention until the numbers hit triple figures, or maybe even more. This is just the beginning of these side effects starting to kick in.
It took how long to stop Purdue Pharma peddling Oxycontin (one of the opioids which enriched the Sackler family) ?? Decades. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/10/purdue-pharma-oxycontin-supreme-court-sacklers-bankruptcy-deal
As sad as this story is, I can't help but feel annoyed at "Liam" for putting her obsession first and then bringing innocent children into the mess that was her life. Two-spirit? Why not try being your own real one spirit and accepting and honoring your body as it is? Or if you're a lesbian, in 2009 or earlier, couldn't a good psychotherapist have helped you accept yourself? Not my business, not quite for me to judge, but I just don't get this kind of self-harm and self-indulgence. So misguided. She was missing good role models in life, that's probably a given. What a shame for all concerned. Thank you, Ex, for another story everyone should read.👍🏼 I plan to share. ... p.s. yes to what other commenters have said about the doctors involved. Could it be said that she became addicted to T? This is abuse of the vulnerable to the highest degree.
Self indulgence....that's it.
The narrative suggests she had poorly managed Type 1 since childhood. That is a very serious disease, and was the most important thing to develop a treatment and lifestyle plan for. I know people who have lived a very long time with that disease, but they are organized, disciplined, and have created good support--they built their lives around supporting their health. It's not something a person can ignore. We have no info here on the patient's family of origin or SA history. None of her behavior makes even short-term sense. The photograph shows a person with a dull and bloated complexion, indicating poor habits and health. She should have been refused any affirming care and sent to intensive emotional counseling from the get-go. Now there are two motherless children.
She bragged publicly about prioritizing alcoholism over food and yet they were ready to give her a new kidney eventually.
yes, there should be a complete investigation of her care.
No, I don’t believe the medical staff would have allowed an active alcoholic to receive a precious kidney, depriving a healthier patient of the transplant. Not without proof of ongoing recovery from alcoholism.
Her poor kids have no mother now. I've known more than a few type 1 diabetics in my life they have to really watch how they do everything to stay in good health, it is jaw dropping how no one bothered to take this into consideration when prescribing all this to her, we should all know who the the doctor who did this is as well as the rest who do this to these people that they are on notice.
All that bullshit about "testosterone is safe" pisses me off because, despite being understudied, data still exists on women with PCOS and female body builders and it all says that LONG TERM ELEVATED TESTOSTERONE WILL KILL YOU. Stroke, kidney failure, heart disease, diabetes - all have higher risk with naturally elevated testosterone. It's not a fucking game these doctors are playing, it's magical thinking that kills people.
I say again: Gas in a diesel engine.
That’s an excellent analogy- I shall use this!!
Testosterone is perfectly safe -- if you're a man. Just like estrogen is perfectly safe -- if you're a woman. Can't put the hormones in the wrong body though... 🤔
The relationship between testosterone and pre-eclampsia is doubtless complicated. PCOS is a side-effect of insulin resistance, which is the body's attempt to avoid storing any more fat from a fatty diet. We think of insulin as a hormone that reduces blood sugar, but it also promotes storage of fat and protein synthesis from amino acids. Basically, insulin is an anabolic hormone that tells our bodies to store the nutrients we've just eaten. If your body has judged that it has already stored enough fat, it may try to resist further weight gain by resisting insulin. But then, your pancreas will release extra insulin to keep your blood sugar within normal limits. The hypersecretion of insulin can then alter the sex hormones, leading to the high testosterone that drives PCOS. This is why weight loss can reverse PCOS. For many women, even losing a small amount of weight (about 10 pounds) can be enough to restore ovulation and fertility. (It's also why many women are unexpectedly becoming pregnant on Ozempic.)
Pre-eclampsia is the result of the failure of the woman's blood volume to expand enough to meet the needs of pregnancy. All of the features of pre-eclampsia reflect either the low blood volume itself (e.g., poor placental development and intrauterine growth failure) or the body's attempt to correct the blood volume deficit (robust activation of the renin-angiotensin-aldosterone system, leading to hypertension and edema). The problem is that there is not enough plasma protein to hold sufficient amounts of fluid inside the blood vessels. This is typically the result of either of two problems: either the woman is on the edge of starvation because she is not getting enough calories, or she is overfed on a fatty diet and her body is resisting insulin to try to avoid storing any more fat, so she is releasing so much glucagon that she is turning her plasma proteins into excess blood sugar. So, it's possible that Liam's diabetes was a severe case of type 2. The relationship between serum testosterone and pre-eclampsia could reflect the fact that the metabolic problem that causes pre-eclampsia also causes high testosterone levels in women. But it is also theoretically possible that exogenous testosterone could make the problem much worse because of its effects on protein metabolism.
A lot of people are confused about the names of the different forms of diabetes. If you have type 1 diabetes, it means that your pancreas is not making enough insulin to keep you alive. (The usual cause of type 1 diabetes is an autoimmune disease, often triggered by a protein in cow's milk, that destroyed the beta cells of the pancreas. However, there is also an autosomal recessive genetic condition called infantile diabetes that causes severe insulin deficiency in newborns.) If you have type 2 diabetes, it means that your body is resisting the effects of insulin, to keep you from storing any more fat. Type 1 diabetes used to be called "juvenile" diabetes because it often arose in childhood. (But Mary Tyler Moore got it in her 30s.) Type 2 diabetes used to be called adult-onset diabetes because it typically arose in adulthood. But with the rise in childhood obesity, it's now more common than type 1 in pediatric clinics. There are also some hereditary forms of diabetes that is often mistaken for type 2 diabetes because they cause a relatively mild hyperglycemia but does not lead to ketosis, coma, and death. These conditions are called maturity-onset diabetes of the young (MODY). They are inherited as an autosomal dominant trait.
It is inexcusable to give testosterone to women for cosmetic reasons. It would be downright criminal to give testosterone to a diabetic woman of childbearing potential.
I can never understand identifying so strongly as a male you're willing to chop off your breasts and take T to masculinize, yet you're also happy to get pregnant, and give birth the ultimate expression of femaleness? If you're experiencing gender dysphoria from having tits and a beardless face alone, surely pregnancy would be orders of magnitude more troubling? It makes me question the idea they suffer from dysphoria at all tbqh.
It's totally contradictory, but queerness means you can do whatever you want and we're all expected to affirm and approve no matter what🤨🙄
Helen these people are disturbed beyond human comprehension. You should be reading into phenomena like "demonic possession" to begin to get a grip on it.
Another tragedy to add to the list from this madness so incredibly sad😭